shave me

[RawAlex]

lassiter, the "unique" visit isn't usually measured by your cookie, but often by IP address or other information to track apparent individuals. Merely clearing your cache and your cookie will not always create a unique impression.

Alex

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

lassiter, the "unique" visit isn't usually measured by your cookie, but often by IP address or other information to track apparent individuals. Merely clearing your cache and your cookie will not always create a unique impression.

Alex

Yes, I see your point. I'd just add that in many cases there are both "raw" and "unique" columns on the stats page, and the tour/signup page hits don't show up in the "raw" columns either.

[Linkster]

First - as far as the definition of shaving - Steve has a good point that what most of us from the "old school" would consider shaving is very possibly different than what someone newer to the biz might think is a shave
A real good example is what a "newer" Wm confronted me with at a show - he said that while the sponsor was tracking hits to the site ok, and paying him for signups to that site just fine - he wasnt getting a cut on the sales generated from the little checkbox on the join form that sponsors use (usually pre-checked and known as a cross-sale).
And of course the sponsor had in black and white in their terms and conditions that they did not pay their affiliates for these sales - which I wouldnt expect them to knowing that this where sponsors get a good percentage of their overhead taken care of - it just baffled the WM though

As far as CCBill - there are quite a few programs out there that rely on the fact that since they are using a middleman you will expect things to be on the up and up - something I learned from another WM here - that I should have known but didnt take the time to look at - was that each sponsor can set the number of rebills that get credited to the refferring WM and how much gets credited over time - although you would think that programs advertising rebills at 60% would pay that for the life of the surfer - it might be worthwhile checking that in your ccbill stats to see how long you really get rebills for - I was amazed to see one program had it set for 1 rebill and another that had it set for no rebills.

As Alex also pointed out - it really doesnt matter whether a program uses CCbill or any other software out there - and I dont care what any rep or even owner of an affiliate software company says - if a sponsor "wants" to shave - they can - just depends on how much they are willing to spend towards accomplishing that shave.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Linkster

First - as far as the definition of shaving - Steve has a good point that what most of us from the "old school" would consider shaving is very possibly different than what someone newer to the biz might think is a shave
A real good example is what a "newer" Wm confronted me with at a show - he said that while the sponsor was tracking hits to the site ok, and paying him for signups to that site just fine - he wasnt getting a cut on the sales generated from the little checkbox on the join form that sponsors use (usually pre-checked and known as a cross-sale).
And of course the sponsor had in black and white in their terms and conditions that they did not pay their affiliates for these sales - which I wouldnt expect them to knowing that this where sponsors get a good percentage of their overhead taken care of - it just baffled the WM though

As far as CCBill - there are quite a few programs out there that rely on the fact that since they are using a middleman you will expect things to be on the up and up - something I learned from another WM here - that I should have known but didnt take the time to look at - was that each sponsor can set the number of rebills that get credited to the refferring WM and how much gets credited over time - although you would think that programs advertising rebills at 60% would pay that for the life of the surfer - it might be worthwhile checking that in your ccbill stats to see how long you really get rebills for - I was amazed to see one program had it set for 1 rebill and another that had it set for no rebills.

As Alex also pointed out - it really doesnt matter whether a program uses CCbill or any other software out there - and I dont care what any rep or even owner of an affiliate software company says - if a sponsor "wants" to shave - they can - just depends on how much they are willing to spend towards accomplishing that shave.

I agree but usually I think these have more to do with webmasters not reading the terms and conditions closely enough. Certainly if the sponsor says how or if they pay on rebills and/or cross sells should be clearly laid out. Only if it is not spelled out and the sponsor is taking advantage of those rev streams would I consider it shaving - and by that I mean in the classic, as in old school, sense of the term as well.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Linkster

if a sponsor "wants" to shave - they can

Unfortunately this is the most accurate statement in this thread. I've yet to touch anything on NATS because of thier claim that it's impossible to shave using NATS. They make that statement either because they don't understand or they think we're idiots.

However, that being said, a good program can make plenty of money without shaving and possibly a lot more because they can get more webmasters interested.