Homegrown Payout question

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by MadMax

I think you're making an honest attempt to bridge a gap, but I'm dubious about what kind of success you'll have with a program like that. The whole idea of PPS is to get paid a flat rate per signup, not a buck then getting your flat rate if the trial converts to full membership. If you're having issues with the percentage of trials converting, IMO you'd be better off reducing the PPS payout and making revshare more attractive.

I can get $1-$4.95 for a trial signup at my revshare sponsors, and I get my percentage for the life of the membership. IMO there's no point in revshare that doesn't give me a cut of recurring memberships, and no point in PPS that pays out less than $20-$25.

We could potentially do a PPS but I am wary of doing that since it invites a higher affiliate fraud level. I am not sure how much we would be able to pay - though I would fare to guess it would be less than what others do... still I say the same thing which is we would only do what is fiscally sound and open to audit.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by Far-L

We could potentially do a PPS but I am wary of doing that since it invites a higher affiliate fraud level.

Yes agreed. A big problem as you draw the low-lifes of this biz real fast.

Far-L
What I was referring to was more of webmaster perception. Yes if the webmaster is making bank on click compared to other programs then they most likely will not complain. But I know if the program is bringing in $45 and paying me $31 and then keeping all the rebills it just "seems" unfair is all I am saying. The numbers are "weird". LOL

I'm only giving input as to what might happen or what webmasters might feel.

And when webmasters read the terms that they only get paid $30 when the member CONVERTS then they might get a negative vibe anyway so it may lose the punch of PPS you are trying to get across I think.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Ramster

Yes agreed. A big problem as you draw the low-lifes of this biz real fast.

Far-L
What I was referring to was more of webmaster perception. Yes if the webmaster is making bank on click compared to other programs then they most likely will not complain. But I know if the program is bringing in $45 and paying me $31 and then keeping all the rebills it just "seems" unfair is all I am saying. The numbers are "weird". LOL

I'm only giving input as to what might happen or what webmasters might feel.

And when webmasters read the terms that they only get paid $30 when the member CONVERTS then they might get a negative vibe anyway so it may lose the punch of PPS you are trying to get across I think.

I see what you are saying and I completely appreciate the feedback. I hope I didn't come off too defensively - I am just trying to figure out a way to sell something that on its surface seems less appealing until you get into the nuts and bolts...

We are left in a very awkward position as a result - I know from talking to the few webmasters that we do have that they do make more with us per click than so called high paying programs. I also know that some of those programs shave the short and curlys off their webmasters. Rick Mueyong of Best Porn and founder of Ynot (with a great reputation for honesty and integrity too) told me he was making four times more when we left CE on even less traffic than he sent them and even though we lowered our payout. (CE paid $50 to $55 and we pay only $30) Our site didn't change. Our marketing didn't change.

As to the "punch" of selling the fact that we are only paying $1 per trial you are right --- that will be more like a tickle. People will laugh at it. Our pay per ACTIVE FULL signup is hard enough to sell already... but luckily we have gotten this far on word of mouth and those that remember how well we sold in the CE programs (where we were the #1 program for a couple of years...)