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0% purchased 100% sponsor 4 9.30%
20% purchased 80%sponsor 11 25.58%
40% purchased 60% sponsor 9 20.93%
80% purchased 20% sponsor 9 20.93%
100% purchased 0% sponsor 12 27.91%
Exclusive 5 11.63%
Semi-exclusive 4 9.30%
I shoot my own 6 13.95%
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Old 2006-02-25, 12:38 AM   #1
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Since most of my sites are for named JAV models I have to use sponsor content. I contact the sponsor and get access to the paysite for content. If they don't give it. I move on. Japanese Girl content is so hard to buy from american content producers. most think generic "asian" will work. they are so wrong


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Old 2006-02-25, 03:03 AM   #2
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Interesting post pvtspanky.

I've been looking around at a few sites for the review site we will soon open and I'm a bit aghast at the interior of some sites, the promises made and the actual product delivered. Very often it's a case of if they used the interior of the site to promote the site they would struggle to get sign ups.

However on this subject of using sponsor or your own. Very few people buy in content to promote and that's why the few who do buy, carry on buying.

However matching the content on a freesite to the content inside the sponsors site is an art. But even when you can buy the content inside a site to promote it how many do?

Lightspeed is now building solo girl sites with girls we shot and we sold him the content. Content he's not allowed to give to affiliates because of the license. So how many people buy those sets to promote the sites? Two.

For those who think a sponsor buying a set for $35 gives a sponsor the right to give it to who ever he likes.

I'm in business to make money and if we sold a set to 10 sponsors at $35 to give to 10,000 affiliates our business would collapse.
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Old 2006-02-25, 04:44 AM   #3
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I'd love to be able to use actual content from the site I'm promoting in my freesites, but the fear of the "overused sponsor content" rejection stops me.
Should I just use some and see what happens?
Or make sure I watch the sponsors closely and jump on the newest content available?


I've thought about asking sponsors for a set of exclusive photos to promote, but I'm not really established enough yet for that.

"See more of girlsname at blahdotcom" must be a pretty good piece of sales text.
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Old 2006-02-25, 04:51 AM   #4
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However matching the content on a freesite to the content inside the sponsors site is an art. But even when you can buy the content inside a site to promote it how many do?

Lightspeed is now building solo girl sites with girls we shot and we sold him the content. Content he's not allowed to give to affiliates because of the license. So how many people buy those sets to promote the sites? Two.
I had no idea that this was possible! I assumed that almost all paysites shot their own stuff. Very interesting.
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Old 2006-02-25, 05:01 AM   #5
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I had no idea that this was possible! I assumed that almost all paysites shot their own stuff. Very interesting.
No way. A lot do but not all. Otherwise we would all be shooting exclusive.

Non Exclusive for us and a lot of paysites is a profitable business, but you have to get it right. New stuff all the time and good stuff as well, because the business model is built on getting lots of regular clients buying to give to members at a rate exclusive cannot match.

1 exclusive solo girl set/video = $400
1 non 1 exclusive solo girl set/video = $50

In fact if you buy regular it could get a bit cheaper. But not too much or it defeats the object.

So the non exclusive can be delivered up at a rate of 8 times for the same money. Assuming it fits the niche do you think a member is going to give a shit if it's exclusive or not? For our paysite we buy in from 2-3 suppliers brand new content, the surfer does not know the difference.

The cry that non exclusive is saturated is one of the biggest myths on the Adult Net. Do you think Exclusive could be bought for the price of 8 sales if it was saturated, it has to sell to get saturated.
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Old 2006-02-25, 10:28 AM   #6
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The cry that non exclusive is saturated is one of the biggest myths on the Adult Net.
That's one thing many webmasters seem to get confused. Since we sit here viewing porn all day, we somehow think that the surfers do too. There's this mindset that if we have seen the set of content already, so has the surfer. Absolute rubbish. Sure, exclusive content is ideal, but it isn't practical or realistic for most business plans.

Not all paysites are meant to be the holy grail of pornography anyway. Some are built for the exclusive purpose of pushing the consumer towards the upsell of another, better paysite. If they don't buy the upsell, well fuck 'em, you got their $30 sign-up. If they do, you pulled in $30 (which is most probably getting split with an affiliate), plus you pulled down a nice $35 PPS for yourself.

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Old 2006-02-25, 12:13 PM   #7
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That's one thing many webmasters seem to get confused. Since we sit here viewing porn all day, we somehow think that the surfers do too. There's this mindset that if we have seen the set of content already, so has the surfer. Absolute rubbish. Sure, exclusive content is ideal, but it isn't practical or realistic for most business plans.

Not all paysites are meant to be the holy grail of pornography anyway. Some are built for the exclusive purpose of pushing the consumer towards the upsell of another, better paysite. If they don't buy the upsell, well fuck 'em, you got their $30 sign-up. If they do, you pulled in $30 (which is most probably getting split with an affiliate), plus you pulled down a nice $35 PPS for yourself.

Any content can be king if you know how to employ it properly.
What amazes me is the differing arguments you get about content and sign ups. Firstly that a sale is an impulse buy, if it was an impulse how in hells name does content get saturated. Unless the guy has the same impulse every day.

Then there's the site were they think the fact that it's the only scene of this girl on that sofa in that underwear makes it exclusive. There are some very good shooters here in Czech earning a good living shooting "Exclusive". We've shot the girls before them and the locations. The poses are the same, so where is it exclusive?

For me exclusive is when the content has a twist to it that others sites do not always have, like Bang Bus. but in the mail porn is porn.

As for the rest of the post, you can always "Over Persuade" someone. But what good does that do us as an industry? If I sold you a set for $30 which was not what you wanted, would you be happy to spend another $30?

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Old 2006-02-25, 06:33 AM   #8
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Since most of my sites are for named JAV models I have to use sponsor content. I contact the sponsor and get access to the paysite for content. If they don't give it. I move on. Japanese Girl content is so hard to buy from american content producers. most think generic "asian" will work. they are so wrong


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You've told me that before about asian content spookyx, and I always remembered what you said. I have to admit, I have a hard time telling the difference between some of the different asian cultures. I do know it makes a huge difference though.

I was just thinking about Buzzard when I read your post.. I like to think that he, WillyB and your sweetheart are up there listening to music together
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