AVS Sites vs. Free Sites - Which do you prefer?

[oldbrad]

Have to check each programs tos, but as long as you promote the sponsor too it should be fine.

Brad

[SheepGuy]

What it comes down to is this IMO.
-Don't rely on the AVS for traffic or SE help. If you want to make money you still have to work for that yourself. You will get some traffic from the AVS, but if you rely on that as your sole source you will go broke.
-Always sell the AVS service first, sponsors second, especially in the case of premium sites that give you recurring income. With premium I don't try to sell anything but the service on the public pages. Save the ads for the inside pages where you have cc carrying surfers who have paid for porn in the past.
- It's tough to make money with premium AVS's using watermarked sponsor content. That's pretty much the way it is.
- You can still make money with watermarked sponsor content on basic AVS sites or "free" AVS sites like Sexkey or FreeNetPass, just don't expect a lot of hits from the AVS.
-If you can build premium AVS sites they retain members far better than any paysite because they give surfers a shitload more than any paysite. Recurring income is very nice to have!!
-It's faster and easier to build a basic AVS site than it is to build a free site and you can advertise almost as much on them as on free sites. And what you advertise on the inside is only being seen by surfers with credit cards who have paid for porn in the past.

AVS's are just part of a business model, not all of it, I do well with them.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

-It's faster and easier to build a basic AVS site than it is to build a free site and you can advertise almost as much on them as on free sites.

Yes. Some AVS systems are more lax on requirements too. Some are very ridiculous. I am going to avoid naming names but I know of one which was insisting on 468x60 banners with a text link under each one, AND for a while was trying to get everyone to sepearate it from the content with a horizontal rule. On top of that only one banner was allowed per page, with no more than either four or six banners total. I finally decided they aren't really worth the hassle for trying to get upsells and dropped them.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

Yes. Some AVS systems are more lax on requirements too. Some are very ridiculous. I am going to avoid naming names but I know of one which was insisting on 468x60 banners with a text link under each one, AND for a while was trying to get everyone to sepearate it from the content with a horizontal rule. On top of that only one banner was allowed per page, with no more than either four or six banners total. I finally decided they aren't really worth the hassle for trying to get upsells and dropped them.

I know the AVS you're talking about, and they don't even accept new WM's anymore, and while I still get paid and can add new sites, I'm kind of wondering how much longer they will last. They have added a couple of innovations lately that are pretty good for existing wm's, but they are so rule-obsessive that they haven't seen the big picture in a very long time. I still promote my sites with them, but if they do go tits up I can switch them to other AVS's pretty quickly.