Porn MegaBucks says I'm a fraud

Lisa · 2007-09-09, 12:58 AM

It's fairly clear that few in this thread have ever been responsible for running a program

I have seen this EXACT pattern before, probably 15 or so times in the last 6 years and every single time it's been a 'webmaster' committing the fraud to their own gain.

IF I'm wrong this time, I will apologise as I've said, but it would be a first. The only person who stood to gain from this is the webmaster who would have been paid for the sales had they not been refunded.

Perhaps it's time to wonder who might have wanted this situation to occur...it's certainly not us. But maybe there's someone out there with an agenda against Sheepguy who thought this might be a tidy way to deal with it.

I'm not yet convinced that we haven't been defrauded by a webmaster, but I'm more than prepared to be proven wrong.

As to talking to the webmaster first, what would that prove exactly? Do you really think a dishonest webmaster would just admit to it when questioned? All anyone would do, regardless of their involvement, would be to deny it. So how is one to prove that the denial is based on innocence or further deception?

Toby · 2007-09-09, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisa

...I'm not yet convinced that we haven't been defrauded by a webmaster, but I'm more than prepared to be proven wrong...

That statement sums up the biggest issue I have with how this has been handled.

You've immediately assumed it was the webmaster that was responsible for the fraudulant signups and have placed the responsibilty on the webmaster to prove otherwise when it should be the other way around.

You should be the one proving that the IPs and emails involved are connected to the webmaster, as it's all but impossible for him to prove the negative.

SheepGuy · 2007-09-09, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisa

But maybe there's someone out there with an agenda against Sheepguy who thought this might be a tidy way to deal with it.

Funny. In the last 10 years in this biz I have made 1 enemy. A Swiss fellow who stole the design and images from a few of my sites way back in '99. That situation was resolved shortly after it was discovered, and I haven't heard from the guy since. Since then, I really can't recall anyone in the biz being pissed off at me. At least not enough to steal credit cards and try to frame me with a pissant sponsor like the one you represent.

A nice grasp at straws on your part, but wouldn't it be easier to admit that you fucked up? Not that it would necessarily be enough at this point since I'm still not sure what economic damage your reckless accusations have caused me, if any, but I'll be looking into that.

Keep talking, keep slandering me. I'm beyond being pissed off now, I'm enjoying watching you dig yourself deeper into a legal shithole.

picXX · 2007-09-09, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisa

As to talking to the webmaster first, what would that prove exactly?

Maybe the fact that you are taking youre buiseness partners seriously?
You are not doing affiliates a favour to let them promote youre program.
It is a 2 way buiseness, so a 2 way communication should be in place.
To assume that any affiliate/webmaster is fraudelent every time something happens, without even trying to investigate or communicate, is like shooting yourself with a silverbullet in the ass.

GonZo · 2007-09-09, 11:46 AM

DAMN!!!

Mr Spock · 2007-09-09, 12:03 PM

The main problem here seems to me to be PornMegaBuck's attitude to affiliate webmasters, accusing a wm of fraud without any communication and secondly Lisa's arrogant attitude in addressing the issue here, she just doesn't get that their could have been a better way to deal with the matter.

You say that you have seen this type of transaction 15 times in the past 6 years, which I don't think is that many given the volumes of transactions that are processed, so in general I think it is better to assume that the wm you are dealing with is honest.

Guess what, I'll never sign up with this bunch of clowns and I am sure there are dozens of webmasters who feel the same way.

Sheepguy is a respected and well liked webmaster and I don't believe that he would engage in fraudulent transactions.

spacemanspiff · 2007-09-09, 01:44 PM

Whenever I'm looking at program and thinking of signing up, I usually come over here and do a search to see what experiences other folks have had with the program. Anyone else do the same?

Anyone want to venture a guess how much Lisa has cost her company in the name of "protecting" it?

Llam4 · 2007-09-09, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisa

I have seen this EXACT pattern before, probably 15 or so times in the last 6 years and every single time it's been a 'webmaster' committing the fraud to their own gain.

Am I the only one concerned by this?

If the other 15 "fraudsters" were given the same courtesy (or lack thereof), who's to say which if any of them were really attempting fraud?

2007-09-09, 01:44 PM	#7
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2007-09-09, 12:58 AM	#1
Lisa I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 83	It's fairly clear that few in this thread have ever been responsible for running a program I have seen this EXACT pattern before, probably 15 or so times in the last 6 years and every single time it's been a 'webmaster' committing the fraud to their own gain. IF I'm wrong this time, I will apologise as I've said, but it would be a first. The only person who stood to gain from this is the webmaster who would have been paid for the sales had they not been refunded. Perhaps it's time to wonder who might have wanted this situation to occur...it's certainly not us. But maybe there's someone out there with an agenda against Sheepguy who thought this might be a tidy way to deal with it. I'm not yet convinced that we haven't been defrauded by a webmaster, but I'm more than prepared to be proven wrong. As to talking to the webmaster first, what would that prove exactly? Do you really think a dishonest webmaster would just admit to it when questioned? All anyone would do, regardless of their involvement, would be to deny it. So how is one to prove that the denial is based on innocence or further deception?

2007-09-09, 11:46 AM	#5
GonZo You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta,Ga Posts: 893	DAMN!!!

2007-09-09, 12:03 PM	#6
Mr Spock You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vulcan Posts: 695	The main problem here seems to me to be PornMegaBuck's attitude to affiliate webmasters, accusing a wm of fraud without any communication and secondly Lisa's arrogant attitude in addressing the issue here, she just doesn't get that their could have been a better way to deal with the matter. You say that you have seen this type of transaction 15 times in the past 6 years, which I don't think is that many given the volumes of transactions that are processed, so in general I think it is better to assume that the wm you are dealing with is honest. Guess what, I'll never sign up with this bunch of clowns and I am sure there are dozens of webmasters who feel the same way. Sheepguy is a respected and well liked webmaster and I don't believe that he would engage in fraudulent transactions.