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2008-03-28, 08:09 AM | #26 |
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I'll add my 2¢ in with CrazySy's, maybe we'll have enough for a Starbuck's after awhile.
Increasing diversity is probably a good goal, but don't let the tail be wagging the dog. I optimize for sales first and SE second. |
2008-03-28, 08:10 AM | #27 |
Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West
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Most of my sales come from the index page followed by the main page.
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2008-03-28, 08:27 AM | #28 |
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OBAMA '08 It's Time for Change (or something like that)
Most free site builders put ZERO effort in to SEO or effective sales text on any of their pages, so I'm not sure why they'd fight against losing one worthless page of a free site that isn't going to produce sales any better than, or even as good as, a single TGP gallery. The big difference being that TGPs have more traffic. I think people are clinging to a dead concept. Those of you who have the ability to track sales per page, have you considered why your numbers are the way they are? Do you know that it's because we are going out of our way to make the content difficult to get to, or could it be merely the fact that you've been lucky enough to place a good ad block on the first page that the surfer sees (which you could still do with a different format)? I hope this thread/debate/argument goes on for awhile. I love it. |
2008-03-28, 08:52 AM | #29 |
What can I do - I was born this way LOL
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it's funny, free site builders and harden LL owners are gonna be the first ones to go back to doing what they did before, cause they will not accept change or invent a different model
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2008-03-28, 09:01 AM | #30 |
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Well, I'm all for trying something new, more for sales than SE purposes, but whatever works. UW quoted DD a bit back, with 'sales are created by content'. While this seems at odds with most people saying their sales come from the index and main pages, I don't think so.
When you think about it, I'm sure most surfers have seen enough tours to know the general idea now. A lot of new tours all have great quality video samples, big huge pics, 3 or 4 pages etc. If I knew that, I might be inclined to click through to a tour as fast as I can if the first page I saw of the freesite was kinda crappy looking. Maybe that's why I've also been told from many people that ugly freesites sell anyway, just a thought. I don't know if it would work out or not, but I'd give it a shot. I really like Simon's idea of 4 links out, too |
2008-03-28, 09:10 AM | #31 | |
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As for my position on accepting those types of sites, I'll accept pretty much anything I think the surfers would like. And yes, different is good. I'll even go a step further. If you want to do some testing, how about this. Build a traditional freesite and a 1.5 freesite and submit them both at the same time, and see which sells better. Either pick similar content and submit both sites to the same category, or pick content that can fit into multiple categories. Just hit me up first so I'll know what's going on.
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2008-03-28, 09:11 AM | #32 | |
What can I do - I was born this way LOL
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2008-03-28, 09:16 AM | #33 |
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yes, I believe that too. That's why I always put more effort into those pages, which would naturally result in more sales from them (I keep hoping, anyway )
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2008-03-28, 09:32 AM | #34 | |
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Hey, I've got an idea...let's lose the galleries completely! fs 2.0 baby! |
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2008-03-28, 09:57 AM | #35 | |
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Follow me for 2 seconds: the RTA label is part of ASACP - we all know this. The ASACP has a list of what they call "industry best practices": http://www.asacp.org/page.php?content=best_practices It's a list of things that we, as adult website owners, should follow. One of those things, oddly enough, IS TO HAVE A FUCKING WARNING PAGE. The RTA label is supposed to go on your warning page! I haven't even read the rest of this thread yet, but I will also say that, while I find my ego being inflated as I type, anyone that is moronic enough to re-invent the LinkList/FreeSite concept without discussing it on this board does not belong in the business. Gimme 15 & I'll shoot down the rest of your ideas |
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2008-03-28, 10:42 AM | #37 | |
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This format http://thepurelinks.com/tmp/f2.gif without mirrors and submit in 30-50 LL's |
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2008-03-28, 10:50 AM | #38 | ||||||
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Everyone? No. But I'm also betting that ZERO Link List owners that frequent this board will accept them either.
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(excuse me while I throw up) Back to Useless's statement - Kit thinks that his plan will benefit Free Site listings in Google. There is no other way to look at this, as he says "google" or "SE" 5 times in his 1st 7 sentences. And what you put up there about "ZERO effort" is a big part of the problem. People get out what they put in & SE's are no different. If you have all your Free Sites on a domain that are not linked to a hub on the index page, you either have no concern about SE traffic (which is fine) or your not educated enough on SE methods to be worried about it. I use this as one example of MANY things that webmasters can do to better their sites in SE's. Removing one page & adding another to a small area of your network is not going to increase or decrease your SE listings. |
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2008-03-28, 10:52 AM | #39 | |
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2008-03-28, 10:52 AM | #40 |
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Example
http://www.nubiles-girls.com/f/naked-lala-princess/ Free site add in Russian LLs, no mirrors unique text content |
2008-03-28, 10:55 AM | #41 |
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Certainly!
And no mirrors! Otherwise it is senseless |
2008-03-28, 11:07 AM | #42 | |
Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice?
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http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/babe/fuck-and-squirt/ 1 0 0 http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/clean/squirting-teen/ 1 0 0 http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/babes/her-pussy-squirts/ 1 0 0 http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/clean/her-pussy-squirts/ 1 0 0 http://www.best-wet-pussy.com/babe/s...gasm/main.html 1 0 0 From checking a few months ago I know that about 90% of my sales come from the index page so naturally I don't want to lose it. When sponsors let me set up ad campaigns I use that for my referral links on my link lists so I'll know that a sale came from the link list. Last edited by Licker4U; 2008-03-28 at 11:18 AM.. |
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2008-03-28, 11:12 AM | #43 | |
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What happens if I have 72 Link Lists on my submit list? 2 mirrors instead of 4? If I made 2 warning pages with 18 recips (very common) what makes you think that Google would even notice? Most of the page will look very different, as 18 recips take up a lot of space/coding on a page. And why do you assume that Free Site builders are not smart enough to change around the coding on "mirror" pages so that the coding doesn't look exactly the same? I can sit here all day & shoot down this idea. |
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2008-03-28, 11:20 AM | #44 | |
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Your server stats will also tell you that your index pages get a lot more traffic than any other page of a free site. That's because a lot of surfers hit a free site, say, "what the hell is this slop?" and go somewhere else. Reading stats and understanding what you are reading are two different things. It's far more complicated than what people like to think. |
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2008-03-28, 11:21 AM | #45 |
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It is necessary to believe
To criticize always it is easy |
2008-03-28, 11:26 AM | #46 | |
A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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I am always open to change, change is good, but of course I need to know how all my LL owners feel about this before making any such changes, their traffic is after all what is paying the bills. I agree that LL rules make all our free sites look the same, we change the colours, style, content, etc. but with so many rules it's hard to keep things looking "new" and "original". |
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2008-03-28, 11:27 AM | #47 | |
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All I'm saying is that the topic playing with the format is worthy of discussion. I don't agree with Kit's SEO assertions, but I'm also not certain that I'm fully comprehending it. I'm not an SEO. The idea of altering the free site has been put on the table a few times and you, my sexy green friend, have had quite a few ideas yourself. You just haven't gone public with them. If you do, please post them in English so that I can read them. |
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2008-03-28, 11:38 AM | #48 | ||
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2008-03-28, 11:40 AM | #49 | |
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To add a rule for free site 1.5 1. Minimum 40 other LLs 2. Free site (main page - index.html) created domain.com/free-site/index.html and gallery only gallery1.html (index1.html) and gallery2.html (index2.html) page. Other pages In other folders - decline In a result - 100% no MIRRORS |
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2008-03-28, 11:49 AM | #50 | ||
A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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Greenguy's traffic is exceptional, I have to follow more specific rules to get accepted at LOR but it is well worth it. |
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