New free site format (version 1.5)

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

Difficult and not clear access to the picture and video content - one of the reason, why bookmarkers drop our stone age LL and go to the TGP or Tubes.
Come one, let's try to make 10 pages between surfer and content. You think you will maximize your profit and traffic?...

Do you remember back in 98 or 99 when a majority of Link List owners banned Full Page Ads between the warning & main pages? I remember this, because I was one of those Link Lists. Free Site builders bitched & complained that we were cutting down on their ad space. 9-10 years later, you're gonna tell me that I think there are too many pages on a Free Site!?!?!?!?!

Originally Posted by kit

...I suppose, better do not limit the recips number at all. Just don't mention it in the submit rules. BTW, I have no such limitations.

Neither do I.

Originally Posted by kit

1) I hope, there is less FS mirrors will burn. There is no reason to link to 40 links sites and make at least less mirrors. 1.5 format is more classic 1.0 format than future 2.0 format, but I don't ready to discuss the 2.0 FS conception. GG will ban me. ;-)...

Don't even joke about being banned. There's been one banning on this board based on the poster's opinion and that was because he was attacking a respected member of the board (as well as a personal friend) The fact is that your 1.5 does NOT cut down on mirrors. I don't mind 20, 30, 40 recips on a site, as long as they are laid out properly. I have no idea why people that are on your side keep assuming that there is an issue with the number of recips. If a Free Site builder is making 2 versions with 20 recips on each, that's their business.

Originally Posted by kit

...2. Very good question. In fact yes, longer session is cause of more sales. (we actually force surfer click to the couple links before content.) Another thing is a usability ballance. Today classic FS is abolutely worse for 99% surfers and they go to the TGP and than to the Tubes. 5 years ago, classic FS was like a small piece of gold, 10 years ago it was like a diamond. 15 years ago one porn page built in the totally dark garage (PK, LOR, etc.) made their owners rich.
Time changes and nowaday surfers drop us and go to the much more usable sites. Lets simplify FS and make it more usable for the surfers? Yes, the number of the possible sales contacts will decreased, but bookmarkers will stay on LL.

Link Lists have ALWAYS been less attractive to surfers than TGP's. Hell, I used to tell my friends to go to Ampland because I liked his site better! But that doesn't mean that Link Lists don't have a good solid base of traffic. Regardless of SE, I know my site can send good quality targeted traffic to Free Site owners each & every day.

Penisbot was registered in June 2000, right? Don't talk to me about what happened 10 or 15 years ago. That'd be like me telling Richard or Persian Kitty how it was back in 95 or 96.

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Kit - my main two questions are:

1 - Why do you want to eliminate the warning page or warning text?

2 - Why do all these examples of 1.5 Free Sites have the recips on the left hand side?

Let's go from there. I really want to discuss this with you.

[kit]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Link Lists have ALWAYS been less attractive to surfers than TGP's. Hell, I used to tell my friends to go to Ampland because I liked his site better! But that doesn't mean that Link Lists don't have a good solid base of traffic. Regardless of SE, I know my site can send good quality targeted traffic to Free Site owners each & every day.

Why do not use "the horse" if people used them before? The cars is more usefull, but that doesn't mean that "the horses" don't have a good audience. You're about it?

Originally Posted by Greenie

Penisbot was registered in June 2000, right? Don't talk to me about what happened 10 or 15 years ago. That'd be like me telling Richard or Persian Kitty how it was back in 95 or 96.

I've read abut good old times in their interviews.

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Kit - my main two questions are:

Originally Posted by Greenie

1 - Why do you want to eliminate the warning page or warning text?

I don't eliminate the warning text, but warning page is a horrible thing. I can't find the entrance link on many FS (I'm experianced surfer). I guess the surfers do not stand long time with us and permanently migrate to the more usefull sites like TGP and Tubes.

Originally Posted by Greenie

2 - Why do all these examples of 1.5 Free Sites have the recips on the left hand side?

Because I'm lefthander! Right-handers can place recips on the right side. The people, who can play soccer, can place the at the top and the bottom.

The 1.5 FS format is just alternative to the classic FS and provide more flexability to the site builders. Somebody can post old good FS, somebody can try new format. Who accept blogs in their LL, can you find the warning page there? I don't. And I don't see why the FS must have warning page.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

Why do not use "the horse" if people used them before? The cars is more usefull, but that doesn't mean that "the horses" don't have a good audience. You're about it?...

Horse? Car? What are you talking about? Are horses supposed to be Link Lists & car are TGP's? If so, fine, there's still people that like horses & they still buy things.

Originally Posted by kit

...I've read abut good old times in their interviews...

Good old times? This has nothing to do with good or bad times. This has to do with how things evolved & me having 1st hand experience because I was there. You read a book about a soccer game, while I was there playing it.

Originally Posted by kit

...I don't eliminate the warning text, but warning page is a horrible thing. I can't find the entrance link on many FS (I'm experianced surfer). I guess the surfers do not stand long time with us and permanently migrate to the more usefull sites like TGP and Tubes...

Then why do any Link Lists have any traffic? Based on your theory, no surfers ever come back to a Link List because they are too stupid to find a big text link that says "ENTER" If your traffic can't find an enter link on a warning page, how are they going to find a join link on a paysite?

For fuck sakes! 10+ years of linking to warning pages & you're telling me that people can't find the enter link? You really are delusional.

Originally Posted by kit

...Because I'm lefthander! Right-handers can place recips on the right side. The people, who can play soccer, can place the at the top and the bottom...

So Sergeyka is left handed too? Just admit that you pushed that format because the SE spiders will see those links 1st.

Originally Posted by kit

...The 1.5 FS format is just alternative to the classic FS and provide more flexability to the site builders...

Your reasons make no sense. I have proved every reason you have posted as being wrong or not needed. You bring up the RTA label as a replacement for the warning page & I tell you that the RTA people ask us to put the label on our warning page. You say this will cut down on the number of mirror sites & I tell you that most Link Lists do not have a cap on the number of recips on the free site.

You are telling people to change for the sake of changing.

[kit]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So Sergeyka is left handed too? Just admit that you pushed that format because the SE spiders will see those links 1st.

I don't push it, I offer it as another possible FS format.

And for sure I do not "push" left side recips template, just because it will spidered first. If you know DOM, bloсk position in the browser window and position in html code can be totally different.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I have proved every reason you have posted as being wrong or not needed. You bring up the RTA label as a replacement for the warning page & I tell you that the RTA people ask us to put the label on our warning page.

So, I think all of the following sites broke this rule.
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/blog_porn.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/galleries/

So, why don't allow FS be more flexible in their format?

Who want to use FS with warning page - there is no problem.
Who want to use FS without warning page - there is no problem too.

This is what I think.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

...And for sure I do not "push" left side recips template, just because it will spidered first. If you know DOM, bloсk position in the browser window and position in html code can be totally different...

I don't know what DOM is, but I do know that 99.44% of people that create an html page like the gif example you posted would have whatever is in that left hand cell seen 1st by a spider.

Originally Posted by kit

...So, I think all of the following sites broke this rule.
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/blog_porn.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/galleries/

So, why don't allow FS be more flexible in their format?...

That's what you come back at me with after 5 days of debating? My blog category links to blog pages & my hosted gallery page (that's not open to submits) links to hosted galleries? You forgot all of those pesky surfer-annoying paysites that I have listed.

We're talking about Free Sites in regards to Link Lists - not blogs or gallery pages or pic posts or rate my ass or top lists or avs sites or pay sites or access with email sites or tube sites or sex toy stores or dating sites or online dvd stores or phone sex page or adult message board or webmaster resource site or anything else that my Link List may or may not link to that is not a Free Site.

You know, I was thinking: if you're that concerned with getting the surfers to the content quicker, you could just link to the gallery pages. Or the pics/vids themselves - that's an even better idea! Think of the surfer retention you have then!

PS - the C letter is this: c Not this: с

[kit]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You know, I was thinking: if you're that concerned with getting the surfers to the content quicker, you could just link to the gallery pages.

I concerning about ballance betwwen FS usabilty and value.
Last 5 years this ballance decreased and became very small.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Or the pics/vids themselves - that's an even better idea! Think of the surfer retention you have then!

This is Tube conception. Yeach page IS content (streaming video).
http://www.youporn.com got 5 million uniques daily using it. Not bad.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

...This is Tube conception. Yeach page IS content (streaming video).
http://www.youporn.com got 5 million uniques daily using it. Not bad.

No - I'm talking about hotlinking or linking to directories of pics that have no index file or linking directly to pics/vids on sites that have no htaccess file in place.

Now THAT would make for a happy surfing experience.

Or why not just endorse good old Fusker?

[Sergeyka]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So Sergeyka is left handed too? Just admit that you pushed that format because the SE spiders will see those links 1st.

I left handed

Sample free site 1.5 I did not

I accept firs 5 free site in my LLs :>)

Wellcome to Reality

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Sergeyka

I left handed

Sample free site 1.5 I did not

I accept firs 5 free site in my LLs :>)

Wellcome to Reality

Dear Sir/Madam,

Your grasp of the English language is not that good. I suggest that you take a class at your local university so that you can learn how to speak proper English. Once you have accomplished this task, please feel free to return to the board and I will be more than willing to help you.

Sincerely,
Greenguy