Autosubmitters and the small LL

neo-gel · 2004-02-19, 08:04 AM

Ok right I just want to start out by saying that I don't use a autosubmitter and no longer mirror my warning page.

I recognise and respect the fact that the larger LLs want the warning page to be index.htm and that they don't want to be autosubmitted to.

My question has to do with the smaller sites. The ones with an alexa ratings more than say 100,000.

What is their opinion on this?

In my situation when I do submit freesites I only submit to 8 or 9 sites. In my experience it just has not been cost effective to go through the process of mirroring a directory structure.
I'm toying with idea of creating 3 or 4 mirrored directories in order to submit to maybe 3 dozen sites.

I suspect I'm not the only person using this logic.

It does bother me that I'm not submitting to the smaller LLs.

I was just hoping to get anyones idea on this, particularly those of you running smaller LLs.

Greenguy · 2004-02-19, 08:08 AM

I would say to read all their rules & if they say they allow it, then use it (but don't assume they allow it if it's not in their rules)

Fonz · 2004-02-19, 08:15 AM

If you're talking about putting mirrored dirs up to link the smaller LL's on their index pages most of these small LL's will be very happy with that.

I know 'cuz I run one of the smallest LL's around probably |afro|

no serious, I'm getting tired of these submissions like http://somedomain.com/some_niche/warning99.html
and seeing my recip up there together with greenguy, DD, Clea, XXXjay and other real big ones. While on the url http://somedomain.com/some_niche/warning98.html are the exact same big LL's and they only changed my recip with another small LL recip.

Anyway, put my LL on your list to

Cheers

amadman · 2004-02-19, 09:10 AM

I have a very small linklist but I am still pretty much a prick on reviews.

I don't accept auto submits.

I don't really care for doorways either but I will take them as long as they are not breaking any of my rules. Especially the one were other receipted sites must be listing the sites and the one concerning templates and content quality.

neo-gel · 2004-02-19, 10:48 AM

Actually I shouldn't have mentioned autosubmiting. That's not really what I have in mind.

The main time issue is the mirroring. If I can use a tool to automate some of this work it would be time effective to submitting to smaller LLs.

Fonz your LL is a classic example of what I what talking about. With an alexa ranking of around 1,250,000 and a google pr of 0 it's just not feasible for me and I suspect many of the more experienced honest submitters to submit to you. It appears that in the last 7 day you have only been able to add 20 sites.
The example you gave of crap submission is just that, crap. I would consider what they are doing outright cheating.

Here's what I have in mind.

1 Create a database of LLs and sort them by Alexa Ranking with corrections for Google PR.

2 Use that database to group those LLs with other LLs of similar size.

3 Create warning index page with recips for the top 8-12 LLs depending on how I setup the recip table. Then hand mirror directories for 2 more warning index pages.

4 Use a the mirroring utility to create mirrored warning pages for the rest of the LLs all with the appropriate recips for the LLs that the mirrored warning pages will be submitted to.

5 Handsubmit the resulting mirrored warning pages to the approriate LLS.

How this method sound?

It would allow me to submit honestly to the larger LLs and time effectively submit to the smaller LLs.

Fonz · 2004-02-19, 11:06 AM

just noticed that alexa ratings are relative. Searched for my bands page on alexa -> www.orchrist.com and it gave me the results of a few domains on the same server, mixed them all up

For the PR0 on my LL, it's only been open for 2 weeks or so

Sounds like a pretty good plan you have there

Ramster · 2004-02-19, 11:20 AM

Making 3 mirror pages and submitting takes how long really? 30 minutes tops!

If you are in the biz of making free sites then you need to submit using 3-4 pages to maximize your profit potential. All you do is cut and paste the recips in and rename the page or save in a different directory. Then submitting to 30 more link lists by HAND will not take more than 30 minutes.

If you cannot commit that time then why should anyone list you. Whether they are going to send you 5 hits or not they still take the time to review and they are working on traffic and in a year they might be big. You never know. But running a link list is time consuming. Making money is time consuming. Put in the time.

Not intended at you persoanlly, just giving an outlook on things. I run a few sites and spend hours a day reviewing. And when my fucking admin gets log jammed with autosubmits (one tgp I have was getting 300+ submits a day of gay, bbw, shemale and it's a Babes tgp) then webmasters need to understand what link lists go through and why they do not want autosubmits.

neo-gel · 2004-02-19, 12:28 PM

Ramster did you read my second post?

I explained that I plan on hand making 3 warning index pages. That only lets me submit to 2 or 3 dozen of the largest LLs. I'm talking about submitting to the other 100-200 LLs. Submitting to them all would require hand building 20-30 indexed warning pages. At a rate of ten minutes a page that's 3 to 5 hours of work.

I certainly would never belittle the amount of work running a TGP or LL requires.

Ramster · 2004-02-19, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by neo-gel
Ramster did you read my second post?

I explained that I plan on hand making 3 warning index pages. That only lets me submit to 2 or 3 dozen of the largest LLs. I'm talking about submitting to the other 100-200 LLs. Submitting to them all would require hand building 20-30 indexed warning pages. At a rate of ten minutes a page that's 3 to 5 hours of work.

I certainly would never belittle the amount of work running a TGP or LL requires.

Actually I did miss that post. I was not trying to get on you, I was just mentioning what many link lists go through, big or small. My opinion still is no autosubmits at all as it usually just sends crap submits to a link list. Many are good submits but many are bad too that create extra work and frustrate the poor guy/gal reviewing.

If you somehow used something like GASS and was able to customize it after going through and reading rules then maybe you'd be okay.

But keep in mind here's what happens with AutoSubmits many times. Actually I'll give an example of what I do. I make galleries everyday and hand submit to 40-80 TGPs depending on niche. On occassion I make movie galleries too. Now after cutting in all my recip tables and saving 30 different pages and uploading I go to submit the galleries. What happens is I get to a site and realize, shit this guy doesn't take movies, I forgot. So I don't submit, leave his recip there and move onto to my next bookmarked submit page. If I used an AutoSubmitter (Even though I submit to these guys daily and have read their rules) I would have sent a movie gallery to that guy.

That's the problem with AutoSubmitters. It's not dishonest people all the time, it's just not what TGPs and Link Lists want because they end getting sites or galleries they Do Not want.

creamxtreme · 2004-02-19, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by neo-gel
Actually I shouldn't have mentioned autosubmiting. That's not really what I have in mind.

The main time issue is the mirroring. If I can use a tool to automate some of this work it would be time effective to submitting to smaller LLs.

Here's what I have in mind.

1 Create a database of LLs and sort them by Alexa Ranking with corrections for Google PR.

2 Use that database to group those LLs with other LLs of similar size.

How this method sound?

This is basically how I have intended to set up my service.

Ramster I think you got the right impression of most Auto Submit Services. GASS although Darkhorse is a great guy has not been updated in quite some time. And believe me when I tell ya Darkhorse will be the first to back up major LL's regarding thier index.html, index.php etc., etc. no doorway pages allowed requirement.

As for your interpretation of what you go through with an auto submit, you are right with any other service, this is where I found a flaw and intend to correct it, by placing the category/subcategory choices at the very last moment. In your example, you do not want to send a movie to an all Pic (still) site but only to those who want movies.

In the same instance with auto submitters, categories are all not the same. One may have fetish and others may break those down into groups of fetishes, say fetish/food, fetish/stockings etc., etc. And others may not even have a fetish category what do you do then? Send them a fetish site anyhow?

Rules are primarily all the same. They are rules, but they are broken down into two groups:

Basic Rules and then Additional Rules.

Examples of Basic Rules:
No less than 20 photos.
Do not break rules.
Recip required.

Examles of Additional Rules:
No free hosted sites.
No AutoSubmits.
No doorway pages.

and so on and so forth. I found that many AS sites do not recognize these differences. Assist tools are here and they may be here to stay. Newer ones are being developed day in and day out.

I look for the interesting ones and try to improve upon them or at least support them. Dionysis built this one and shared it with us:

http://www.pornolistic.com/webmasters/index.htm

I know he joined the board here not to long ago, so maybe he'll see this and decide to go a bit further with this idea.

But the idea is there is always a need for this stuff and if we can not control it, it will control us.

Nick

soggy · 2004-02-19, 06:21 PM

alexa ranking is very inacuurate IMHO. It relies alot on people who own the toolbar.

soggy

neo-gel · 2004-02-19, 06:42 PM

Your right soggy Alexa can be inaccurate. There are a few things that cause false rankings. Usuallty those ranking will make a site appear to have more traffic than they do.

It does work as a good rule of thumb.

It's the only way to estimate a domains traffic without having access to counters or server stats.

2004-02-19, 08:04 AM	#1
neo-gel Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Land of beer, cheese, and brats Posts: 64	Autosubmitters and the small LL Ok right I just want to start out by saying that I don't use a autosubmitter and no longer mirror my warning page. I recognise and respect the fact that the larger LLs want the warning page to be index.htm and that they don't want to be autosubmitted to. My question has to do with the smaller sites. The ones with an alexa ratings more than say 100,000. What is their opinion on this? In my situation when I do submit freesites I only submit to 8 or 9 sites. In my experience it just has not been cost effective to go through the process of mirroring a directory structure. I'm toying with idea of creating 3 or 4 mirrored directories in order to submit to maybe 3 dozen sites. I suspect I'm not the only person using this logic. It does bother me that I'm not submitting to the smaller LLs. I was just hoping to get anyones idea on this, particularly those of you running smaller LLs.

2004-02-19, 08:08 AM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,806	I would say to read all their rules & if they say they allow it, then use it (but don't assume they allow it if it's not in their rules) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-02-19, 08:15 AM	#3
Fonz Former pr0n slinger. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 7,930	If you're talking about putting mirrored dirs up to link the smaller LL's on their index pages most of these small LL's will be very happy with that. I know 'cuz I run one of the smallest LL's around probably \|afro\| no serious, I'm getting tired of these submissions like http://somedomain.com/some_niche/warning99.html and seeing my recip up there together with greenguy, DD, Clea, XXXjay and other real big ones. While on the url http://somedomain.com/some_niche/warning98.html are the exact same big LL's and they only changed my recip with another small LL recip. Anyway, put my LL on your list to Cheers __________________ See how I abuse little trees on my Shumi no Bonsai Blog

2004-02-19, 11:06 AM	#6
Fonz Former pr0n slinger. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 7,930	just noticed that alexa ratings are relative. Searched for my bands page on alexa -> www.orchrist.com and it gave me the results of a few domains on the same server, mixed them all up For the PR0 on my LL, it's only been open for 2 weeks or so Sounds like a pretty good plan you have there __________________ See how I abuse little trees on my Shumi no Bonsai Blog

2004-02-19, 11:20 AM	#7
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,705	Making 3 mirror pages and submitting takes how long really? 30 minutes tops! If you are in the biz of making free sites then you need to submit using 3-4 pages to maximize your profit potential. All you do is cut and paste the recips in and rename the page or save in a different directory. Then submitting to 30 more link lists by HAND will not take more than 30 minutes. If you cannot commit that time then why should anyone list you. Whether they are going to send you 5 hits or not they still take the time to review and they are working on traffic and in a year they might be big. You never know. But running a link list is time consuming. Making money is time consuming. Put in the time. Not intended at you persoanlly, just giving an outlook on things. I run a few sites and spend hours a day reviewing. And when my fucking admin gets log jammed with autosubmits (one tgp I have was getting 300+ submits a day of gay, bbw, shemale and it's a Babes tgp) then webmasters need to understand what link lists go through and why they do not want autosubmits. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-02-19, 09:10 AM	#4
amadman I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years, been over the edge for yonks.... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: padded room Posts: 861	I have a very small linklist but I am still pretty much a prick on reviews. I don't accept auto submits. I don't really care for doorways either but I will take them as long as they are not breaking any of my rules. Especially the one were other receipted sites must be listing the sites and the one concerning templates and content quality.

2004-02-19, 10:48 AM	#5
neo-gel Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Land of beer, cheese, and brats Posts: 64	Actually I shouldn't have mentioned autosubmiting. That's not really what I have in mind. The main time issue is the mirroring. If I can use a tool to automate some of this work it would be time effective to submitting to smaller LLs. Fonz your LL is a classic example of what I what talking about. With an alexa ranking of around 1,250,000 and a google pr of 0 it's just not feasible for me and I suspect many of the more experienced honest submitters to submit to you. It appears that in the last 7 day you have only been able to add 20 sites. The example you gave of crap submission is just that, crap. I would consider what they are doing outright cheating. Here's what I have in mind. 1 Create a database of LLs and sort them by Alexa Ranking with corrections for Google PR. 2 Use that database to group those LLs with other LLs of similar size. 3 Create warning index page with recips for the top 8-12 LLs depending on how I setup the recip table. Then hand mirror directories for 2 more warning index pages. 4 Use a the mirroring utility to create mirrored warning pages for the rest of the LLs all with the appropriate recips for the LLs that the mirrored warning pages will be submitted to. 5 Handsubmit the resulting mirrored warning pages to the approriate LLS. How this method sound? It would allow me to submit honestly to the larger LLs and time effectively submit to the smaller LLs.

2004-02-19, 12:28 PM	#8
neo-gel Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Land of beer, cheese, and brats Posts: 64	Ramster did you read my second post? I explained that I plan on hand making 3 warning index pages. That only lets me submit to 2 or 3 dozen of the largest LLs. I'm talking about submitting to the other 100-200 LLs. Submitting to them all would require hand building 20-30 indexed warning pages. At a rate of ten minutes a page that's 3 to 5 hours of work. I certainly would never belittle the amount of work running a TGP or LL requires.

2004-02-19, 06:21 PM	#11
soggy If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Panhandle Posts: 304	alexa ranking is very inacuurate IMHO. It relies alot on people who own the toolbar. soggy

2004-02-19, 06:42 PM	#12
neo-gel Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Land of beer, cheese, and brats Posts: 64	Your right soggy Alexa can be inaccurate. There are a few things that cause false rankings. Usuallty those ranking will make a site appear to have more traffic than they do. It does work as a good rule of thumb. It's the only way to estimate a domains traffic without having access to counters or server stats.