BDSM....!...?

[Ms Naughty]

So you don't like vibrators because it gives the woman pleasure? You don't want to see the woman having *any* pleasure from the BDSM experience whatsoever?

That sounds like torture to me, not BDSM.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

That sounds like torture to me, not BDSM.

You are confusing "bondage" with "BDSM". BDSM stands for Bondage, Domination, Sadism, and Masochism...... Sadism kind of includes torture. Look at the current "Featured Sex Toy" on "Ms Naughty Porn for Women". It is (or was when I looked) "The Cone" which the article/ad describes as "It started life as an S&M object but it proved to be too comfortable" ! In other words BDSM=pain=torture.

Originally Posted by lilll

her pain not her pleasure

Could be hard to see one without the other. Except where the model/actress does it because she is desperate for the money (which is rare, surprisingly you can get paid as well or even better for painless hardcore than painful BDSM), the model/actress will be doing it because she enjoys the pain (the M in BDSM), so you cannot see her pain without seeing her pleasure.

I know far too much about this shit, I think I need a brain scrub!!!

[lilll]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Could be hard to see one without the other.

oh comon...!!!! I mean, I agree with you, but comon, you don't have to say it! we know that.... we like the part when she is in pain
"for real"...

[lilll]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

So you don't like vibrators because it gives the woman pleasure? You don't want to see the woman having *any* pleasure from the BDSM experience whatsoever?

That sounds like torture to me, not BDSM.

well no "You don't want to see the woman having *any*" cause I am paying to see the woman in pain = something real...

+ by saying "whatsoever" you are changing my topic...

[hashbury]

Originally Posted by lilll

well no "You don't want to see the woman having *any*" cause I am paying to see the woman in pain = something real...

+ by saying "whatsoever" you are changing my topic...

Paying to see a woman in pain and not enjoying it is the same as paying to see a woman tortured.
Im not trying to be a dick, but i think you have some fucking issues.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by hashbury

....Im not trying to be a dick, but i think you have some fucking issues.

In the 1980s I used to own a video shop, and since I could not compete with the big chains on mainstream movies (people preferred to rent from Blockbuster and buy from Woolworths even though I was cheaper - because they trusted brand names) so 90% of my business came from the "top shelf". I found that the majority of my male customers wanted hardcore SM, which I could not sell (seriously illegal back then) and whenever I had something that looked like it might possibly have a torture scene in it it flew out. For example there is a film called "House Of Whipcord", which was a dull 1970's drama about a woman's prison. In those days it was only available in an heavily edited form (it had been cut down to 59 minutes to fit on a 60 minute video tape) from a minor video company (mom and pop type family company with no major contracts). I was the only person in the area selling it, so I was able to charge over three times the retail price and it still sold as fast as I could put it out, simply because the cover showed a picture of a terrified woman cowering from a whip. The only other films that sold as well was a series of detective movies that inferred on the cover that they held some SM scenes.

Normal is what the majority want; "weird" is what the minority want. And in over a quarter of a century of running various businesses, most of which catered at least in part to the adult industry, I have found that the "majority" of men want to see women tied up and hurt. So those with "issues" are technically those who do NOT like SM !!!

[lilll]

Originally Posted by ecchi

In the 1980s I used to own a video shop, and since I could not compete with the big chains on mainstream movies (people preferred to rent from Blockbuster and buy from Woolworths even though I was cheaper - because they trusted brand names) so 90% of my business came from the "top shelf". I found that the majority of my male customers wanted hardcore SM, which I could not sell (seriously illegal back then) and whenever I had something that looked like it might possibly have a torture scene in it it flew out. For example there is a film called "House Of Whipcord", which was a dull 1970's drama about a woman's prison. In those days it was only available in an heavily edited form (it had been cut down to 59 minutes to fit on a 60 minute video tape) from a minor video company (mom and pop type family company with no major contracts). I was the only person in the area selling it, so I was able to charge over three times the retail price and it still sold as fast as I could put it out, simply because the cover showed a picture of a terrified woman cowering from a whip. The only other films that sold as well was a series of detective movies that inferred on the cover that they held some SM scenes.

Normal is what the majority want; "weird" is what the minority want. And in over a quarter of a century of running various businesses, most of which catered at least in part to the adult industry, I have found that the "majority" of men want to see women tied up and hurt. So those with "issues" are technically those who do NOT like SM !!!

wow! this is really interesting.

[domweb]

Originally Posted by hashbury

Im not trying to be a dick, but i think you have some fucking issues.

Believe me...when you are a serious BDSM player, you have some fucking issues.

But those of us who are hardcore understand we have issues and we balance ourselves out by playing high drama, high pain, high anxiety sexual psycho drama, otherwise known as BDSM.

But yes...we are a bit fucked in the head. I personally love my subs to enjoy what I want from them...but I picked mine based on a mutual interest base.