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[Agent]

I don't think there is anything Machiavellian about it. I think its more gut reaction and primitive and it manifests itself that way. There are things we do everyday that we can't easily explain, we're just hardwired that way. I read somewhere women typically don't like other women who are promiscuous because they fear the promiscuous women will attract their mates away from them. So next time you hear one woman call another a "slut", it may be a reaction to insecurity or fear of losing her mate. I'm thinking more along those lines in regards to the original topic: that men don't want other healthy males around their mates unless they fully trust them.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Agent

I've always believed the Bible is the product of that carnal, primitive thinking. The kind of primitive thinking that would give one man domain over another -- like one dog fucking another in the ass. It just legitimizes it in their eyes, like a legal document.

The original idea of religion may be the "product of that carnal, primitive thinking" but that is just the initial thought. The actual writing of the Bible took a longer, planned approach. And if it was done for the reasons you suggested in your first post, it took a lot of Machiavellian thinking.

Originally Posted by Agent

I don't think there is anything Machiavellian about it. I think its more gut reaction and primitive and it manifests itself that way. There are things we do everyday that we can't easily explain, we're just hardwired that way.

Wanting women for yourself is "more gut reaction and primitive", doing something instantly (like hitting someone you think is paying too much attention to your wife) is "more gut reaction and primitive" but sitting down and writing a book to ensure you "get the women" takes planning, forethought and is about as far from "more gut reaction and primitive" as you can get. Think about the idea of "a crime of passion" Vs a "premeditated crime". Sitting down and writing a book of the Bible is most defiantly "premeditated", not something you did instinctively.

To use your own example, writing a book of the Bible is not like a dog fucking a bitch, it is like a dog spending it's entire life planning to fuck one particular bitch, tricking it's owner into always taking their walks past her home, spreading rumours in the dog world that she has a venereal disease, getting friendly with her parents, etc, etc. Not "instinctive", but some "serious planning"

Originally Posted by Agent

I read somewhere women typically don't like other women who are promiscuous because they fear the promiscuous women will attract their mates away from them. So next time you hear one woman call another a "slut", it may be a reaction to insecurity or fear of losing her mate. I'm thinking more along those lines in regards to the original topic: that men don't want other healthy males around their mates unless they fully trust them.

Yes, not liking promiscuous women and calling them sluts is instinctive, but if a woman spent years writing a book to keep promiscuous women away that would not be instinctive, it would be planned Machiavellian thinking.

[Agent]

Originally Posted by ecchi

The original idea of religion may be the "product of that carnal, primitive thinking" but that is just the initial thought. The actual writing of the Bible took a longer, planned approach. And if it was done for the reasons you suggested in your first post, it took a lot of Machiavellian thinking.


Wanting women for yourself is "more gut reaction and primitive", doing something instantly (like hitting someone you think is paying too much attention to your wife) is "more gut reaction and primitive" but sitting down and writing a book to ensure you "get the women" takes planning, forethought and is about as far from "more gut reaction and primitive" as you can get. Think about the idea of "a crime of passion" Vs a "premeditated crime". Sitting down and writing a book of the Bible is most defiantly "premeditated", not something you did instinctively.

To use your own example, writing a book of the Bible is not like a dog fucking a bitch, it is like a dog spending it's entire life planning to fuck one particular bitch, tricking it's owner into always taking their walks past her home, spreading rumours in the dog world that she has a venereal disease, getting friendly with her parents, etc, etc. Not "instinctive", but some "serious planning"


Yes, not liking promiscuous women and calling them sluts is instinctive, but if a woman spent years writing a book to keep promiscuous women away that would not be instinctive, it would be planned Machiavellian thinking.

What I'm saying is this, put another way: For one Bible thumper to use the Bible to seek domain over another person is not Machiavellian; They have those primitive impulses to control people around them anyway (and I think the psychology behind it has to do with sex and protecting the family). It's just convenient for them to use God's "divine providence" to satisfy their primitive whims (like keeping things people enjoy banned). As far as the creation of the Bible, I don't know its creator(s) intentions. Machiavellian or not, it's a projection of something more base and primitive. The fact that it's laced with misogyny is enough to convince me of that.

I re-read our posts, and I'm not sure if we're in complete disagreement. We certainly agree on this I think: Man uses religion to seek domain over his fellow man. The reason behind it is where we may disagree.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Agent

For one Bible thumper .....They have those primitive impulses to control people around them anyway

I agree with this, it was your argument that they were thinking about "keeping women for themselves" that I disagreed with (and that is also what I was calling Machiavellian), I simply don't agree that there is that level of thought in it. 99% of people who use the Bible to attempt to oppress others either do it because they genuinely believe that it is their religious duty or because they enjoy bossing people around.

Perhaps I should bring up my "qualifications" in subject. I was brought up as a Christian, went to a catholic school, and for the first thirty odd years of my life spent a lot of time amongst this sort of person. Hell, for a few years in my younger days, I probably was one of these people. And I can assure you that the majority do not have the smarts to think "hey, I don't want other people fucking my wife, I'll use this as a way to keep them from doing so". And I'd also guess that anyone who is smart enough to think like this will be smart enough to realise that it ain't going to work!