Are TGPs turning into CJs?

MadMax · 2004-09-16, 03:48 PM

I just spent a few minutes playing surfer and checking out a few tgps that I see in my referral links from time to time. I'm kicking around the idea of starting a TGP, so as much as anything else I was surfing the potential competition.

I've gotta say, if I were genuinely looking for free porn I would have ended up more pissed off than anything else. I kept clicking on galleries and getting redirected to other TGP sites through their traffic trading scripts...and I'm not talking about once or twice either. This was the surfing experience:

go to tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
redirected to another tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
redirected to another tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
redirected to YET ANOTHER tgp
click on gallery chosen at random
FINALLY SAW AN ACTUAL FREAKIN' GALLERY

This process was more or less repeated at multiple TGPs, who shall remain nameless. My question is, what kind of skimming percentage do these people have to be running for me to encounter this repeatedly? I mean, if I was a genuine porn surfer with cc in hand, these guys weren't even letting me get to the sales pitch.

Is this kind of Circle Jerk situation common with TGPs nowadays? If so, I'd be wary of trading any traffic at all, knowing that I was dumping my hard earned surfers into a piss-you-off situation like this.

Thoughts?

Ramster · 2004-09-16, 04:18 PM

It does seem that some sites are running high skims. Most say they are 70% to galleries but I too have clicked and did not get a gallery 7 out of 10 times.

There are many guys running 100K sites barely averaging 1 signup a day themselves and that is the reason.

MrMaryLou · 2004-09-16, 04:36 PM

Oh don't get me started on CJ's LOL MadMax these guys will be here shortly to tell ya that this is the biz model of the future LOL I feel as you do about them

pood · 2004-09-16, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by MrMaryLou
Oh don't get me started on CJ's LOL MadMax these guys will be here shortly to tell ya that this is the biz model of the future LOL I feel as you do about them

i'm not a tgp guru, jsut a nub

from all the research I've been doing, skim sites are the only way to get a TGP running now

there are ppl that are trying to do hardlink TGPs, but those take forever to grow, but they are a lot more productive when they do grow to a great size.

Skim TGPS is the new way to do things, even though you don't like it, it's here to stay

look at sites like bunnyteens and teenies XXX, they're very huge sites and all of them are skim.

There is no way that a no skim site can grow as big as them. unless you've been around years like the Hun or something

Greenguy · 2004-09-16, 04:53 PM

Turning into CJ's? Hell, a majority have been piece of shit CJ's for a long time.

Call me old fashioned, but I like my links to go where the surfer thinks they are going

DangerDave · 2004-09-16, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
Turning into CJ's? Hell, a majority have been piece of shit CJ's for a long time.

Call me old fashioned, but I like my links to go where the surfer thinks they are going

AMEN! CJ's are CJ's are CJ's......

digifan · 2004-09-16, 05:06 PM

I have zero blind links.. it may take longer to grow but I hate cheating the surfers.

pood · 2004-09-16, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by digifan
I have zero blind links.. it may take longer to grow but I hate cheating the surfers.

i'd want to do the same, but a skim site can get up to 100k/day stable in a couple month

for a non-blind, it'll take years, unless you're constantly feeding bought traffic like what hte hun does

Pornstar Dames · 2004-09-16, 06:54 PM

Give me happy productive surfers over pissed off redirected ones anyday.

I know what you mean I was looking for new tgps to submit too just the other day and noticed a few were using 50% skim and I did a bit of clicking and out of say 20 I got about 1 gallery now that is what most of this skimed tgps hits are a surfer sent who closes the browser or hits back straight away. I know when i used to surf tgps If I went to a trade Id close it straight away.

Greenguy · 2004-09-16, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pood
i'd want to do the same, but a skim site can get up to 100k/day stable in a couple month

for a non-blind, it'll take years, unless you're constantly feeding bought traffic like what hte hun does

1 - I'd rather have 10,000 happy surfer as opposed to 100,000 confused & back clicking surfers.

2 - the Hun buys traffic?

pood · 2004-09-16, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
1 - I'd rather have 10,000 happy surfer as opposed to 100,000 confused & back clicking surfers.

2 - the Hun buys traffic?

don't they?

i remember reading that somewhere

but maybe im just talking out of my ass...anyways...

Greenguy · 2004-09-16, 08:14 PM

I doubt very heavily that the Hun buys traffic - he's been around so long, everyone know him or has heard of him from the buddy at the bar.

Him, al4a, Ampland, PK, Richard, Tommy, etc - all have a strong following due to word of mouth & their length of time online.

pood · 2004-09-16, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
I doubt very heavily that the Hun buys traffic - he's been around so long, everyone know him or has heard of him from the buddy at the bar.

Him, al4a, Ampland, PK, Richard, Tommy, etc - all have a strong following due to word of mouth & their length of time online.

guess I was wrong

wish i started this porn thing years ago!

tickler · 2004-09-17, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pood
i'd want to do the same, but a skim site can get up to 100k/day stable in a couple month

Everybody wants to be a millionaire overnight!!!

So what value does this 100k/day have?

pood · 2004-09-17, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tickler
Everybody wants to be a millionaire overnight!!!

So what value does this 100k/day have?

with FHGs, average $2000 a month

you cna get ppl like DamageX or crack to get it up to 100k/day

for $4000, get money back after 2 more or so, as long asyou don't mess up the trades ie get cheaters on hte list (hit bots)

Surfn · 2004-09-17, 03:26 PM

Is this the fantasy thread?

Greenguy · 2004-09-17, 04:48 PM

Where's Ramster? I think he's the one that came up with the 10k legit vs 100k CJ traffic results theory

digifan · 2004-09-17, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pood
i'd want to do the same, but a skim site can get up to 100k/day stable in a couple month

for a non-blind, it'll take years, unless you're constantly feeding bought traffic like what hte hun does

I agree with you, you sure are just talking off your ass...

The 100 k a skim site gets is BS traffic.

Don't believe everything you are reading on the boards. Not this board

digifan · 2004-09-17, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Surfn
Is this the fantasy thread?

Whatever thread it is, your avatar cheers me up every time I see it

DangerDave · 2004-09-17, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pood
with FHGs, average $2000 a month

you cna get ppl like DamageX or crack to get it up to 100k/day

for $4000, get money back after 2 more or so, as long asyou don't mess up the trades ie get cheaters on hte list (hit bots)

NO one EVER measures the damage done to the market though by pissing off 100,000 surfers PER DAY!

DD

Klove · 2004-09-17, 05:53 PM

I used to run a CJ site for multipule months about 4 years back, I had about 15+ signups a day with 40-60k traffic. I think the logic behind it is, a surfer gets annoyed to a point where he clicks a sponsor banner, and signs up.

I might startup a cj site, after I get my good sites up and running just to see how the traffic quality is.

But as I said, that was almost 4 years ago.

Klove

pood · 2004-09-17, 07:36 PM

OOPS, $2000 will get you a 100k site

pood · 2004-09-17, 07:39 PM

okay, not gonna fight with anyone.

end of discussion, heh

I read a similar thread on this board a few weeks ago, don't want to start that again.

importantly what makes you money is all that matters as long it's legal

can't we all jsut be friends?

anyways, I don't know if I mentioned before,

thsi is just what I've read around the boards and guides, I don't really have any experience...I just do freesites

Surfn · 2004-09-17, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by digifan
Whatever thread it is, your avatar cheers me up every time I see it

I'm glad I have some value

Surfn · 2004-09-17, 08:27 PM

Every couple of months someone comes on the board and talks about the hun like they know him. Where he gets his traffic, what he thinks, where he posts, etc. There are those who have been associated with him for a long time and do not presume upon that friendship by posting bullshit.

2004-09-16, 03:48 PM	#1
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	Are TGPs turning into CJs? I just spent a few minutes playing surfer and checking out a few tgps that I see in my referral links from time to time. I'm kicking around the idea of starting a TGP, so as much as anything else I was surfing the potential competition. I've gotta say, if I were genuinely looking for free porn I would have ended up more pissed off than anything else. I kept clicking on galleries and getting redirected to other TGP sites through their traffic trading scripts...and I'm not talking about once or twice either. This was the surfing experience: go to tgp click on gallery chosen at random redirected to another tgp click on gallery chosen at random redirected to another tgp click on gallery chosen at random redirected to YET ANOTHER tgp click on gallery chosen at random FINALLY SAW AN ACTUAL FREAKIN' GALLERY This process was more or less repeated at multiple TGPs, who shall remain nameless. My question is, what kind of skimming percentage do these people have to be running for me to encounter this repeatedly? I mean, if I was a genuine porn surfer with cc in hand, these guys weren't even letting me get to the sales pitch. Is this kind of Circle Jerk situation common with TGPs nowadays? If so, I'd be wary of trading any traffic at all, knowing that I was dumping my hard earned surfers into a piss-you-off situation like this. Thoughts?

2004-09-16, 04:18 PM	#2
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2004-09-16, 04:36 PM	#3
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2004-09-16, 04:53 PM	#5
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2004-09-16, 05:06 PM	#7
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2004-09-16, 06:54 PM	#9
Pornstar Dames A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: UK Posts: 58	Give me happy productive surfers over pissed off redirected ones anyday. I know what you mean I was looking for new tgps to submit too just the other day and noticed a few were using 50% skim and I did a bit of clicking and out of say 20 I got about 1 gallery now that is what most of this skimed tgps hits are a surfer sent who closes the browser or hits back straight away. I know when i used to surf tgps If I went to a trade Id close it straight away. __________________ http://www.starletsofporn.com/webmasters

2004-09-16, 08:14 PM	#12
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I doubt very heavily that the Hun buys traffic - he's been around so long, everyone know him or has heard of him from the buddy at the bar. Him, al4a, Ampland, PK, Richard, Tommy, etc - all have a strong following due to word of mouth & their length of time online. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-09-17, 03:26 PM	#16
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2004-09-17, 04:48 PM	#17
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Where's Ramster? I think he's the one that came up with the 10k legit vs 100k CJ traffic results theory __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-09-17, 05:53 PM	#21
Klove Well you know boys, a nuclear reactor is a lot like women. You just have to read the manual and press the right button Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 156	I used to run a CJ site for multipule months about 4 years back, I had about 15+ signups a day with 40-60k traffic. I think the logic behind it is, a surfer gets annoyed to a point where he clicks a sponsor banner, and signs up. I might startup a cj site, after I get my good sites up and running just to see how the traffic quality is. But as I said, that was almost 4 years ago. Klove

2004-09-17, 07:36 PM	#22
pood Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 99	OOPS, $2000 will get you a 100k site

2004-09-17, 07:39 PM	#23
pood Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 99	okay, not gonna fight with anyone. end of discussion, heh I read a similar thread on this board a few weeks ago, don't want to start that again. importantly what makes you money is all that matters as long it's legal can't we all jsut be friends? anyways, I don't know if I mentioned before, thsi is just what I've read around the boards and guides, I don't really have any experience...I just do freesites Last edited by pood; 2004-09-17 at 08:10 PM..

2004-09-17, 08:27 PM	#25
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	Every couple of months someone comes on the board and talks about the hun like they know him. Where he gets his traffic, what he thinks, where he posts, etc. There are those who have been associated with him for a long time and do not presume upon that friendship by posting bullshit. __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?