a affiliate who uses my content for evil

[Torn Rose]

Here is another little piss ant who wants to us my content for his redirects and also to help install whatever crap he is trying to install. (beware, you go to his sites you better have a good virus program)

I’ve already terminated his affiliate account, wrote a C&D to him and his host.

The 2 sites I know he has

bosomland.com
BUMPERBOOBS.COM

Registrant:
Chris Jerrett

12 Chestnut Close
Bath, Somerset BA3 3UY
United Kingdom

Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: BUMPERBOOBS.COM
Created on: 25-Jan-04
Expires on: 25-Jan-05
Last Updated on: 25-Jan-04

Administrative Contact:
Jerrett, Chris kloot@btopenworld.com
12 Chestnut Close
Bath, Somerset BA3 3UY
United Kingdom
07939205198
Technical Contact:
Jerrett, Chris kloot@btopenworld.com
12 Chestnut Close
Bath, Somerset BA3 3UY
United Kingdom
07939205198

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ADVANCEDHOSTERS.COM
NS2.ADVANCEDHOSTERS.COM

[Surfn]

Too bad some of these assholes can't die of stupidity

[eman]

Fucking twat.

He isn't typical of UK webmasters!

[DangerDave]

This fool is listed at lots of places..


Kloot

kloot@btopenworld.com
kloot@tiscali.co.uk

http://www.dildodames.com/
http://www.adult-gallery-post.com/
http://www.nudegrandmother.com/
http://www.teensexfuck.com/
http://www.mature-centerfolds.com/


Torn. you have lots of google spammers redirecting to KatVixen too|pissed|

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...-8&q=kat+vixen

DD

[Torn Rose]

Originally posted by DangerDave
This fool is listed at lots of places..


Torn. you have lots of google spammers redirecting to KatVixen too|pissed|

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...-8&q=kat+vixen

DD

um.... English please DD =o)

I've no idea what you mean; I'm not that savvy on this sort of thing. Just tell me who's balls do I need to crush?


|slice

[Ramster]

AdvancedHosters is almost as bad as that other host HQHost. They are second for me for hosting cheaters when I check whois info. HQHost is already banned.

[kloot]

Yesterday I joined Katcash after viewing a thread on AWI in the opportunities forum. I listed about a dozen katcash hosted galleries on four tgps of mine to test the program.

One site I listed these hosted galleries on was http://www.bumperboobs.com this site sent between 50% and 100% to galleries depending on page. It also accepted webmaster submitted galleries and listed them. Indeed it did have an enter pop up. But there are (were) no redirects/spyware etc.

24 hours later I check my ccbill stats - no hits to katcash.

I check a gallery with my ref code and it goes to a page which says my ccbill id is cancelled and then it redirects to the katcash site.

I email Torn

Torn replies basically calling me a cheater. ALL I DID WAS LIST A DOZEN OF HER HOSTED GALLERIES ON A SITE WITH AN ENTER CONSOLE.

I immediately remove the hosted gallery links from my sites as requested within minutes and email her to tell her her links are removed

But too late.

Advanced hosters have deleted http://www.bumperboobs.com/ because Torn tells them I have unlicenced content there!

The other site Torn mentions is clean, always has been.

I object strongly to being called a cheater, a little piss ant, an asshole, a fucking twat, and a fool by people I respect in this Industry.

Dangerdave, you have listed me in the past, I've never cheated. and of those domains you listed three have been expired a while:
http://www.mature-centerfolds.com/
http://www.nudegrandmother.com/
http://www.teensexfuck.com/


Torn makes it sound like I submitted galleries with stolen content and redirected them. I have never done this in my fucking life.
All I did was list her hosted galls on a site with an entrance console. There are some very big tgps that do this. Are you guys calling them out as cheaters, etc. as well?

[kloot]

Thanks Mike for the kind words.

I don't deny that my site had an entrance console at all. But I just went through sextracker top 51 universe of sites and so do 9 of those sites. So I am in good company.

btw The site I have had deleted (damn it was a PR4!) at advanced hosters was on a server owned by someone else, not me. I'm still waiting to hear if the site is gone forever, it had a huge 6 months database of submitted galleries I hope I have not lost. I think advanced hosters are a good host.

[Torn Rose]

LOL.... too bad.

I see in my stats your site http://bumperboobs.com/ and since I have never seen that URL in my stats before I go and look and see what your site looks like, and the first thing that happens is my Norton pops up not once, not twice but THREE times telling me your trying to install crap on my pc.

Strike one.

I see about 4 thumbs of my content, so I click on one and when the new window pops I see one of your URLS for a second before it goes to my site. (no idea where that click also went)

Strike two.

I click on the second thumb and I get a pop for some BBW top list or whatever site that I have nothing to do with and NO WHERE do I see KatVixen.com

Strike three.

You Fucked up, instead of saying "sorry, I did wrong, I fucked up and it won’t happen again, give me another chance" you come back with "everyone does it"

[kloot]

Torn, no offence, but do you understand about traffic trading with trade scripts? Where a percentage of the traffic goes to a trade and a percentage goes to the gallery?

[Greenguy]

kloot - 1st off, who's Mike?

2ndly, just because everyone else does it, doesn't mean it's legit.

Now, here's where your argument fails:

You had Kat's content listed on your website, but not all the clicks that occured when a surfer clicked on her content went to Kat's site, which is how it should be.

This means that you were illegally using Kat's content for your own benefit, which is theft. You signed up to promote Kat's site by using her content - not to promote other sites/toplists.

I assume that you have never produced your own content, therefore have no idea the fucking hassle content producers go thru so that their content is not illegally used, as it was in this case.

If I were you, I'd rethink any website that you currently do this on, as it is illegal & this is just the 1st time you got caught. I assume there will be more.

[Mike]

So Greenie, what you're saying is that all Thumb TGPs should be shut down?

All my Thumb TGPs work that way. That doesn't make me a cheater nor do the sponsors think so (maybe because they know what a Thumb TGP is?). In order for me to grow my sites to 100k, 150k or 200k I need, as everyone else, to have the tools to do that. What you say Greenie is that we can't do it the way we do it with Thumb TGPs. Does that mean you can't write descriptions either from a gallery and at the same time use skimming? I can mention a whole lot of people here who does that.

And you're telling me that not on one single of your sites you use skimming on text links?

I send programs loads of traffic and sign ups and not ONE have ever been stupid enough to tell me it's illegal to run a Thumb TGP. In fact, just last week a huge program contacted me because they want me to grow 12 Thumb TGPs for them to 100k. So they know what it is and how it works.

The fact that Torn doesn't know Thumb TGPs says more about her than about Kloot.

[kloot]

Mike, thanx again, hope your post doesn't go again.

Green guy

First of all let me thank you for replying in a polite and professional manner. I'm not sucking ass. But your example is one which some of your other board members could learn from. I've been called a lot of bad names in this thread.

Who is Mike?
Someone who posted to defend me, but that post has gone from the board. I got the notification of a new post email, read the post, replied to it but now it's not there anymore.

Yes, I'm aware of the content issues on thumbsites. How many non-skim thumb sites do you know of? There are some but not many. So I get made an example of with my little site, and get it deleted. (Actually all the archive pages were text only, 100% to gallery).

[RubberRuss]

Originally posted by Mike

The fact that Torn doesn't know Thumb TGPs says more about her than about Kloot.

"Her"????

Torn isn't a "her"!!!!

Although, he has been known to drink wine coolers in public, so I can understand your confusion.

[Greenguy]

1st off, I'm not a big fan of fucking over surfers with blind links & circle jerks & what I consider to be shit traffic, so I have no fucking clue how skims & trades & CJ's work.

That being said, the fact remains that kloot DID NOT have permission from Kat or Torn to use their content for his own benefit.

Like I said before, just because everyone else is doing it DOES NOT make it right, or in this case, even legal.

[Greenguy]

Oh - almost forgot - I assume there was a post deleted form this thread as well - that should not have been done, seeing as we encourage pissing matches

[Mike]

Originally posted by Greenguy
1st off, I'm not a big fan of fucking over surfers with blind links & circle jerks & what I consider to be shit traffic, so I have no fucking clue how skims & trades & CJ's work.

You don't know what trading is and yet you still trade traffic on http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm ?

Surely you know what trading traffic is. I think I remember we talked about it on ICQ some time ago and you told me you had lots TGPs. There are 25 sites on the box where link-o-rama is hosted. Not one of them is using a trade script of some sort?

[Mike]

Oh and another thing... I was looking for an extra server last night and was actually looking at Advanced Hosters. Thank God I didn't go with those people. My new Thumb TGPs would be down within 2 minutes judging by the way they do business. If there's some osrt of problem the host should at least say "hey you... we got a problem... how about you fix it...".

I got myself an Exon DUAL 2.8. That should be enough to power 3 new 100k Thumb TGPs.


RubberRuss,
I don't know Torn, other than what I heard from this (which is more than enough for me)

[Torn Rose]

Yeah your right, I do not know anything about blind links and whatever crap it is that you do. All I know is when I click on a link expecting a apple and I see a banana instead, I get pissed and close the browser and I go look for a site that gives me what it says it will give me.

This is the main problem in porn, people doing anything to make a $. No wonder the US Gov is making our life so hard, who knows what that blind link will be.

I’m a pretty simple guy, I see my content being misused and I took action. Too bad “if everyone else does it” I don’t care. In the 4 years of having an affiliate program, I have terminated exactly 3 accounts total. Not too bad from 300+ affiliates over 4 years.

If this is “right” why was his site removed? I just told his host that he had 24 hours to remove it, after that it is a matter for my Lawyer to deal with. So did the host delete the site on my word alone or did they go and see what he was doing and see the crap for themselves?

I also have never had Norton popup on me for any other “entrance counsel” so that is pretty funny as well, but hey, call it what you want.

Also, if what you say is true about the blind links, why didn’t you use content YOU BOUGHT and not mine or anyone else’s? That’s stealing. Like I said, my content is for promoting my site and my site alone.

Pretty simple.

[Mike]

Torn,

We are hundreds of TGP webmasters and MANY of us got Thumb TGPs.
If you don't want those sites to promote your shit then add it to your terms. End of story.

I could understand your point if a site was using your thumbnails to promote another program but he's not. That only thing he's apparently doing wrong, accoding to you, is the fact that he's using a trade script to grow his site bigger so he can send you more traffic.

One of the sponsors I'm using on my Thumb TGPs is SilverCash. Would you SilverCash ppl like me to remove your SilverCash galleries because I'm using a trade script on the thumbs? Oh and should Madthumbs Mike also remove his links to your program?

[Greenguy]

Don't spin my words - I don't know how these bull shit blind link circle jerk trades work. Of course I know how legit hard link trades work & I have used them for the last 8 years.

And here's a little tip for when you look at things on whois.sc - this:
"Web server hosts 25 websites"
means there are 25 domains on the same IP on my server. There are actually about 200 domains on the server & about 100 on the other server I have with National Net. The ones that share the IP are typo's or similar domain spellings & all of them go to link-o-rama.com's date files. So whatever point you were trying to get across is pretty much moot.

But, the traffic & trades thing is NOT the issue here - the issue is that kloote DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO USE THE CONTENT IN THE WAY THAT HE DID. Torn & Kat give webmasters free content in exchange for them using that content to promote THEIR FUCKING SITE AND NOT TO PROMOTE ANY OTHER FUCKING SITE - PERIOD.

There is really nothing you can say to me, Torn, Kat, their lawyer, kloote's host, or anyone else reading this thread that will make someone believe this is not theft.

Originally posted by Mike
I could understand your point if a site was using your thumbnails to promote another program but he's not.

BUT HE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rowan]

Load up www.picminer.com/tgp.html

Pick a thumb and click on that same thumb 5 times. Chances are you will see the gallery 3-4 times, but the other times you will be 'jerked' to a trade.

This is skimming and in 2004 this is the normal way of TGP trading. "Skimless" TGPs - where every click on a gallery link really goes to the gallery - are now the exception.

Until this thread I had never heard any sponsors complain about affiliates using skimming to grow traffic. From what I understand, a couple of you are in uproar because a thumb with sponsor content didn't go to the gallery every single click.

I have to ask one thing: if a sponsor (Torn) offers hosted TGP galleries then surely they understand what skimming is? As I said, it's 2004...

[MrMaryLou]

Skimming, CJ or what ever ya want to call it sucks Oh sure lets put a thumb up for a lesbian gallery and send them to another tgp oh thats so effective Come on all your doing is inflating numbers and pissing off surfers and when you do it with hosted galleries or any ones content its miss use of there owned content plain and simple would you use a sponsors banner to send the surfer to another site? All the cj type tgps are the death of the tgps for sure the final nail in the coffin

[Greenguy]

I have one simple question that will end this thread forever - it's a "YES" or "NO" questions - so there is no debating:

Did kloot have permission from Torn/Kat to use their content the way he did?

[uterpie]

Torn,

The reason there are so many thumb TGPs that still trade traffic is that NO ONE thinks or "knows" this is "illegal". Their sponsors are not bitching about it, so HOW COULD THEY KNOW? You are the FIRST I have heard complain about this. Perhaps you are the only one who views it this way? Perhaps its your self confessed unfamiliarity with traffic trading and the benefits it provides you that gives you this stance?

If I use one of your FHGs on a text link for trades, is that illegal too? Can you please let us know what ELSE you view as illegal that you did not put in your terms? Its only fair that we know. Of course that would rob you of the pleasure of flaming people on boards for doing things you think is wrong but everyone else thinks is business as usual, so I understand if you don't want to.

Perhaps you should go through and fire ALL your affilliates that use traffic trade scripts. Perhaps the impact on your business would help you understand traffic trading a little better.