The Programs Listed In This Thread Have Shitty HFS's & They Are Wasting Their Money

[Greenguy]

After consulting with a few people - both Link List owners & Free Site builders - I've come up with a list of sponsors who have really bad Hosted Free Sites:
Adult Elite
Adult Master Cash
Adult Paymaster
Adult Players Club
Blazing Bucks
Dee Cash
Euro Revenue
Extreme Paychecks
Fetish Hits
GMT Cash
How I Got Rich
IA Cash
Jugg Cash
Made In Porn
Meat Cash
Next Door Cash
Niched Sites
Perfect Gonzo
Piggy Dollars
Porno Dinero
Royal Cash
Sexy City Cash
Sweet Money
Titan Bucks
West Cash

These sponsors are wasting their money by paying these "free site builders" for HFS's that no legit Link List would ever use. This really has to stop. I beg the sponsors on this list to have whoever is building the HFS's read these 2 threads:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=15875
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=30075
These two threads should be able to answer most of the HFS questions that a sponsor would have & it will assist whoever is building these HFS's so that LL owners will actually use them.

Many of the sponsors on this list have been contacted about their crappy HFS's in the past - both privately & in public. Some have said that they will get their act together, others seem oblivious to what's going on, as they continue to pump out shitty HFS after shitty HFS.

And before anyone accuses me of anything, yes, I do have a HFS building side project. I will state here & now that I DO NOT WANT TO BUILD HFS FOR ANY OF THESE COMPANIES. I am not looking to line my pocket by calling these sponsors out - I am looking to help them. HFS's that no one uses are a complete waste of money.

I also realize that some of these sponsors have not released HFS's in a long time. I have to assume that this is because they did not see a return on their investment, since most LL did not use them. I ask them to reconsider HFS's, to hire someone that knows how to build HFS & give them another shot.

This board is full of Link List owners & Free Site builders & most of us are more than willing to help or advise a sponsor with any & all HFS question. Hell, send in whoever you outsourced to build these & we'll help them.

All any of us want are HFS's the we can use. Please let us help you so that we can all profit from this very valuable promotional tool

[MrYum]

Thanks very much for this thread Greenie

I'm working on a new project and have spent the past couple days looking for HFS...it's pretty bad out there. The engrish used some of these HFS is unbelievably bad

Also, thanks...I now have a list of which sponsors not to even bother looking at for HFS...their loss

[Jim]

I just think it's the lure of the cheap outsourcing people we all know and love. Sometimes the cheap gets expensive.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by MrYum

...Also, thanks...I now have a list of which sponsors not to even bother looking at for HFS...their loss

There are 2 (Royal Cash & Euro Revenue) that have said they will look into adjusting their HFS and a 3rd that has not released their HFS's yet that are making adjustments, so it's not like our complaining is a total loss

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I almost forgot - if anyone knows the name(s) of the outsourcing company(s) that are making a lot of these (4 or 5 of those sponsors have very similar HFS's) if you could post it or PM it to me so that I can contact them, I'd appreciate it.

[Selenia]

I was looking for those links the other day (I remembered reading them awhile back). Going to pass those along to our designer.

[nibbler]

Originally Posted by Jim

I just think it's the lure of the cheap outsourcing people we all know and love. Sometimes the cheap gets expensive.

That's why in the software development world, we spend oodles of time on analysis and requirements (upstream) so that we don't spend buckets of cash during maintenance (downstream)

[oldbrad]

i thought about emailing fetish hits actually but figured i'd say it here because it's on topic with the bad freesite reviews and designs.

I was trying to use some teen sites, changing each description by hand and noticed
1. That all the descriptions used the same couple words then keywords that were completely out of place. (eg "tool")
2. the major concern of mine was the use of "young schoolgirls" and the repeated schoolgirl and similar words and i was bothered with the phrase "show her juvenile tools". To me juvenile means under 18.

Just wanted to point it out so they can maybe become aware of these and other words that may be trouble, as well as the horrible descriptions so that i may use more. I'm not sure how much cheaper fuent english speaking versus outsourced foreign workers is, but the quality and fact that many times more would use well made, quality sites.

There are many qualified, great free site builders here as many have pointed out.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Greenie

There are 2 (Royal Cash & Euro Revenue) that have said they will look into adjusting their HFS and a 3rd that has not released their HFS's yet that are making adjustments, so it's not like our complaining is a total loss

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I almost forgot - if anyone knows the name(s) of the outsourcing company(s) that are making a lot of these (4 or 5 of those sponsors have very similar HFS's) if you could post it or PM it to me so that I can contact them, I'd appreciate it.

Good to know some of them are making adjustments.

Sorry, don't know who makes them...but I wish they'd stop. Damn, some of them are horrible

Originally Posted by oldbrad

i thought about emailing fetish hits actually but figured i'd say it here because it's on topic with the bad freesite reviews and designs.

I was trying to use some teen sites, changing each description by hand and noticed
1. That all the descriptions used the same couple words then keywords that were completely out of place. (eg "tool")
2. the major concern of mine was the use of "young schoolgirls" and the repeated schoolgirl and similar words and i was bothered with the phrase "show her juvenile tools". To me juvenile means under 18.

Just wanted to point it out so they can maybe become aware of these and other words that may be trouble, as well as the horrible descriptions so that i may use more. I'm not sure how much cheaper fuent english speaking versus outsourced foreign workers is, but the quality and fact that many times more would use well made, quality sites.

There are many qualified, great free site builders here as many have pointed out.

I looked through some of their sites and finally just gave up. Some of the worst grammar I've seen, and I've had some ugly stuff submitted...lol.

Didn't notice those age references though...I gave up long before getting to teens. Thanks for the heads up, folks definitely need to be aware of that before just throwing those links up.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Selenia

I was looking for those links the other day (I remembered reading them awhile back). Going to pass those along to our designer.

Hopefully someone there will read those threads that Greenie posted - using a "designer" is the first wrong step in building HFS's for a program - but its covered real well over in those two threads

[Selenia]

Well I can't do HTML work at a commercial level, so I need someone to handle that while I do the text and content work. FWIW, I gave them a look at some of the freesites I've had listed at most major LLs, so they get the idea that it's not supposed to be pretty and shiny. :p

[Danielle]

Greenie,

Why don't you start a companion thread to this one listing the sponsors that DO have good HFS's?

Hugs,
Danielle

[Princess Ellisa]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Hopefully someone there will read those threads that Greenie posted - using a "designer" is the first wrong step in building HFS's for a program - but its covered real well over in those two threads

Well say what you will if they suck we want to know since we are making them for you to use and I have a guy on hand who can pretty much custom anything you want.

When we built those galleries we consulted with a very respected link lister and that guy coached us through building them. We made all of his recommended changes before we launched them.

If they suck no one would knwo better than you guys so please feel free to get in touch with us and let us know.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Danielle

Why don't you start a companion thread to this one listing the sponsors that DO have good HFS's?

Yeah, I know there are probably not enough hours in the day, but if you could give up sleeping for a while, then a list like your one on 'payout ratios', but listing them by how good their HFSs and HFGs are, would be nice.

(You don't really need to spend so much time with your family, you could dump them somewhere nice for the weekend, then spend a couple of days sorting stuff out for the rest of us. )

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Princess Ellisa

...If they suck no one would knwo better than you guys so please feel free to get in touch with us and let us know.

Read this thread starting here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...290#post319290
I hate to throw people under the bus, but I've told Tanker twice now. I feel like I'm wasting my time when I tell him what's wrong (which is the order of the movies on most of the sites) he comes back & tell me that they are fixed & when I go to review them for listing, they are still messed up

Originally Posted by Danielle

...Why don't you start a companion thread to this one listing the sponsors that DO have good HFS's?...

I can probably do that - and Chop has something in the beta stages as well

Originally Posted by ecchi

Yeah, I know there are probably not enough hours in the day, but if you could give up sleeping for a while, then a list like your one on 'payout ratios', but listing them by how good their HFSs and HFGs are, would be nice...

Impossible, as I don't track that info

[Wazdom]

I understand the issue well, but I do not agree with every sponsor listed .. one in particular distributes HFS that IMHO is much better than the ARS examples GG posted in this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=38677 .. eg
http://galleries1.gagonmycock.com/ho...678/index.html deecash
http://hfs.adultmoviematrix.com/pigg...piggyface.html ars
yes deecash is using the paysite in the title, but what fricking use is "Piggy Face" .. better to have "adult movie matrix", far more likely to hit a search term.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Wazdom

I understand the issue well, but I do not agree with every sponsor listed .. one in particular distributes HFS that IMHO is much better than the ARS examples GG posted in this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=38677 .. eg
http://galleries1.gagonmycock.com/ho...678/index.html deecash
http://hfs.adultmoviematrix.com/pigg...piggyface.html ars
yes deecash is using the paysite in the title, but what fricking use is "Piggy Face" .. better to have "adult movie matrix", far more likely to hit a search term.

You're going to compare 1 site out of 200+ from ARS that has a shitty name (and yes, it is a really shitty name) against a site that Dee Cash that looks EXACTLY the same as every other HFS they have ever put out?

You're worried about SE implications? If 500 webmasters promote the same HFS, only 1 of those URL's will get in the SE (if it even does) & odds are that it's the one with your code is slim.

Using your example, what SE term(s) will that Dee Cash site get? The only text on that entire site is the 2257/copyright info.

[Linkster]

Wazdom - I agree that the titles on some of those sites are definitely "out there" And you are correct that the titles should be something SE worthwhile - what GG said

[Greenguy]

Oh great! Linkster's on the SE bandwagon too

Can we at least get these sponsors building HFS that we'd list before we worry about any SE implications?

[Wazdom]

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Wazdom

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

I prefer the opposite. When I use HFS on fake link lists I want them to look different so that the surfer does not realise that I have dumped a pile of sponsor's sites on him/her.

Which is one of the reasons building HFS must be such a pain in the ass, because the sponsor is going to want to please the majority of his/her affiliates, and it is going to be impossible to build sites that please both people like me AND people like Wazdom.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Wazdom

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

Well, I guess using a single template and never changing the title would create a "theme".

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, I guess using a single template and never changing the title would create a "theme".

Hey, stop giving away my top secret method for producing free sites !

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Wazdom

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

Branding is great, but I don't know how many LL owners would list a site like the one you used as an example. How many times is a surfer going to see that index page before he figures he's seen this site before and clicks out before even getting to the main page? At least with a unique title (however much it sucks) there's some indication it's not the same one they just saw 5 times. And don't even get me started about an index page that has the warning graphic linked to the tour and the exit linked to nothing

Bad design is bad design. Sponsors are losing out on some good traffic if they don't realize that.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Wazdom

yes I support branding and building a strong easily distinguished theme that is consistent across the network.

I will agree with you to a point. When I build a free site, I usually use the same font & color scheme that the paysite tour has, which I feel leads to an easy flow from the free site to the paysite.

[Wazdom]

great thread .. excellent topic

I guess the focus on this board is LL .. and from a LL point of view I accept and agree with everything GG has shared with us. I personally don't list FHS at my LL and never will, no recip = no listing.

If the FHS are only used to build up LL .. then I feel enormous potential is being lost in the use of FHS .. LL is not the only game in town and FHS are not built for the exclusive use of LL .. I'm sure if any good webmaster put their mind to it they could come up with 10 valid uses for FHS that didn't include LL.

IMHO there is great benefit in strongly branded FHS that are not LL friendly.