Oldschool reinvented noob got a few questions!

SheepGuy · 2006-11-07, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

Yes, I should have said "died a horrible death for me"

What ones are working for you these days SG (ones that are open to public that is!)
Is there much benefit in modifying all the free sites I'm making and submitting to avs these days?
thanks
JD

I do the best with ProAdult Quantum, but still do OK with Cyberage, and a bit with Sexkey and some of the smaller ones. What I like about AVS's is that you get recurring income on the premium sites and when you advertise on the inside pages you know that every surfer has a credit card, and has used it for porn. You can't get better quality traffic than that and I can use iframes to sell vidcams without any linklist owner refusing me for it (as long as it's inside).
Actually I make more from cams than I do most AVS's, but I don't do free sites anymore because I can't advertise them properly there.
There is still good money to be made on premium sites with an original look-feel to them. Since I've started accepting free sites on my LL I find they all look pretty much the same, but for that matter so do most paysites.
In a lot of ways I think creativity is being choked out of this biz, everybody knows what a free site should look like, everybody knows what a paysite should look like, and the results are predictable.
At least with an AVS I know I need a certain amount of content, more than with a free site, but I'm not chained to any sponsor, I can design the way I like, and as long as the surfer gets good value everyone's happy

JD · 2006-11-07, 09:58 PM

|goodidea Thanks for your input SG!

I bought my home with views on acres with avs recurring income!!!
Unfortunately, as fate would have it, I have to sell it for lack of ongoing funds, oh well, such is life

I used to follow your thinking with the qualified traffic etc. Over the years though I found it increasingly common for avs's to change rules/de-list sites, and millions more webmasters appearing on the links list and hence I saw a huge downturn in traffic and income.

Do you think its worth the time converting my free sites to avs, and will the ones you mention accept sponsor content? (I think cyberage dont). I have about 400 premium sites that arent on any domain any more, they were adult check ones from years gone past, and also about 4000 avs regulars. Dont know if its worth it with the old content submitting them or not |badidea| probably not.

I was thinking of doing some celeb avs sites and upselling to sex key site where I would have the premium one, I see others still doing this. Dont know though, always a risk with celebs, but if its just tabloid pics or whatever I spose it would be safer???

"creativity is being choked out of this biz, everybody knows what a free site should look like, everybody knows what a paysite should look like, and the results are predictable."

Yeh, well damn, free sites are pretty much exactly the same as they were in 99, cept for a couple more strict rules, not complaining though as they are nice and easy to make, and are just a pathway through to the paysite. I havent seen any originality really with porn since the reality craze which is still strong.
thanks again

JD

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I do the best with ProAdult Quantum, but still do OK with Cyberage, and a bit with Sexkey and some of the smaller ones. What I like about AVS's is that you get recurring income on the premium sites and when you advertise on the inside pages you know that every surfer has a credit card, and has used it for porn. You can't get better quality traffic than that and I can use iframes to sell vidcams without any linklist owner refusing me for it (as long as it's inside).
Actually I make more from cams than I do most AVS's, but I don't do free sites anymore because I can't advertise them properly there.
There is still good money to be made on premium sites with an original look-feel to them. Since I've started accepting free sites on my LL I find they all look pretty much the same, but for that matter so do most paysites.
In a lot of ways I think creativity is being choked out of this biz, everybody knows what a free site should look like, everybody knows what a paysite should look like, and the results are predictable.
At least with an AVS I know I need a certain amount of content, more than with a free site, but I'm not chained to any sponsor, I can design the way I like, and as long as the surfer gets good value everyone's happy

SheepGuy · 2006-11-08, 01:47 AM

Hey JD,
Yup, the AVS's did fuck themselves out of a lot of long term business for percieved short term gain, some of them still are. If Netverifier was to pay me for all of the rebills they still collect on sites that were once good enough to qualify as Elite I'd be a rich man. But they changed the rules, downgraded the sites, and took my rebills, justifying it by having higher standards now. Pissed me off enough that I moved them. I'm still screwed for all of the rebills, but they're screwed as well because if I'm not making money with them, they're not making money with me. Ditto for Adult Check, who screwed thousands of wm's out of millions of dollars in rebills. Luckily for me I didn't have much with AC so I got out fairly painlessly.

I'm not saying AVS is the only way to go, never put all of your eggs in one basket, but if I was sitting on 400 premium AVS sites that weren't doing anything I'd split them up between ProAdult Quantum and CyberAge Platinum. The 4000 feeder sites I'd likely have half as AVS feeders, half as free sites

And I wouldn't worry about the age of the content so much, if you were buying content in the late 90's it's so old it may as well be new and I can't see any AVS turning you down for it. I've got about $100K in content I bought back then and no AVS has rejected it becouse it's old. It will take me years to go through all of it.
The thing is, so many people who were very good at the AVS game got out of it when a couple of companies screwed them, and now the conventional wisdom is that it's dead, so newbies go right into free sites because they think that's the way it is.
I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons my AVS income is slowly and steadily rising, and why I still don't need a day job

There's not as much competition there anymore.

Celebs I still stay away from, used to do ok with them but dropped them when the legal shit started and haven't missed them. Maybe it's different now, but I don't even know who's famous anymore

If you want to shoot the shit a bit my email is on the page my sig leads to. I think I remember you from the NV board where I used a different nick.

JD · 2006-11-08, 06:14 PM

Wow, thanks a lot for sharing Sheep Guy, yeh, it scared off tons of people I think, I just dont read about avs anymore, like it did die, and good to know people like yourself are still doing good with it!
I will have to go through all the content and sites, LOL, what a job, like yourself, I must have bought tens of thousands of bucks worth of content in the early 2000 years, 99-2002 was the most. I have all of phoenix content, which is now another name or something. I was on NV board when that dude ripped off all my sites and put them on Netverifier, do you remember that vaguely? Anyway, it was very decent of NV to give me his rebills at that time. NV never seemed to rebill as long as other avs's for some strange reason.
I've always admired Cyberage Dave, so I will use them primarilly and I have wanted to use sex key for years, just never goit round to it because theres no recurring there.
Thanks again man and have a great day!
JD

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Hey JD,
Yup, the AVS's did fuck themselves out of a lot of long term business for percieved short term gain, some of them still are. If Netverifier was to pay me for all of the rebills they still collect on sites that were once good enough to qualify as Elite I'd be a rich man. But they changed the rules, downgraded the sites, and took my rebills, justifying it by having higher standards now. Pissed me off enough that I moved them. I'm still screwed for all of the rebills, but they're screwed as well because if I'm not making money with them, they're not making money with me. Ditto for Adult Check, who screwed thousands of wm's out of millions of dollars in rebills. Luckily for me I didn't have much with AC so I got out fairly painlessly.

I'm not saying AVS is the only way to go, never put all of your eggs in one basket, but if I was sitting on 400 premium AVS sites that weren't doing anything I'd split them up between ProAdult Quantum and CyberAge Platinum. The 4000 feeder sites I'd likely have half as AVS feeders, half as free sites

And I wouldn't worry about the age of the content so much, if you were buying content in the late 90's it's so old it may as well be new and I can't see any AVS turning you down for it. I've got about $100K in content I bought back then and no AVS has rejected it becouse it's old. It will take me years to go through all of it.
The thing is, so many people who were very good at the AVS game got out of it when a couple of companies screwed them, and now the conventional wisdom is that it's dead, so newbies go right into free sites because they think that's the way it is.
I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons my AVS income is slowly and steadily rising, and why I still don't need a day job

There's not as much competition there anymore.

Celebs I still stay away from, used to do ok with them but dropped them when the legal shit started and haven't missed them. Maybe it's different now, but I don't even know who's famous anymore

If you want to shoot the shit a bit my email is on the page my sig leads to. I think I remember you from the NV board where I used a different nick.

SheepGuy · 2006-11-09, 12:51 AM

I do remember that guy that stole your sites, if I'm not mistaken he was from Switzerland and claimed he bough the sites from some guy in Latvia.
If so, the same dude stole a bunch of NV Elites from me and put them up as Quantum. PA just handed them over to me and gave me his rebills as well. Hope the dude's flipping Swiss cheeseburgers now |badidea|

JD · 2006-11-09, 11:01 PM

Hmmm, Eric was his name, he told everyone on all the boards he was a big big player etc. He came down with a large crunch after I exposed the bastard, he copied the sites exactly! In the end he was some friggin kid with a cell fone living with him mum, LMAO. The way he spoke such great crap though, he should get a job in sales or something easy!
I hope people dont still do that these days. I am morally high with copying, I wont copy, or if I copy a little bit I will change it all completely. So I guess it brought home some stuff to me because I didnt like it done to me (not that I copied stuff, but I would copy the odd add layout etc. ) ANd I cringe when I post a url, like if its not listed or something, just in case people copy, but I know theres lots of nice people around so maybe it doesnt happen much these days (copying peoples stuff)
I'm not sure where he was from, he was fluent english on the icq though. It was very nice of Netverifier to do what they did, those were the days, just an extra few grand a month, didnt even notice it, not like these days LOL. Gonna have to chase up your email SG, do u have icq?
regards
JD

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I do remember that guy that stole your sites, if I'm not mistaken he was from Switzerland and claimed he bough the sites from some guy in Latvia.
If so, the same dude stole a bunch of NV Elites from me and put them up as Quantum. PA just handed them over to me and gave me his rebills as well. Hope the dude's flipping Swiss cheeseburgers now |badidea|

Mr Exotic · 2006-11-10, 01:01 AM

JD sounds like you have had your share of hard times man. I feel for ya as I have been there myself. I didnt get fucked on AVS sites since I never did them, but I started off making big money pretty much right off the get go back in very late 99/very early 2000. I was making all my money off CJ (circle jerk) sites, which pretty much ceased to exist around the end of 2001. Man I was right out of high school making money hand over fist not really even having a clue as to how to actually make a sale. Just throw up a java alert, an exit console, and throw up a few little things on the page that made 3-4k/month for pocket change, haha, pocket change back then. My dad has a very good job building transmissions at Chrysler and I remember thinking I was big shit because I made more than him just off my exit console sponsor, and I made 3-4 times more than that on my java alert thingie, I had more money than I knew what to do with. I was young and dumb (right out of high school) and thought hell I am gonna be doing this exact same thing the rest of my life. Then it just so happened that as the bottom fell out of the CJ site scene I ended up with some pretty serious health problems and I didnt have insurance. So by the time I was better I had spent all my money on doctors, hospitals, and meds. And didnt have any money to get anything new started. It took me quite a while, but with alot of help from family, and some help from some online friends to point me in the right direction I was able to get back on my feet and at least make a living again online. I had some bad times in between though, I worked for a few people online, had a couple of shit jobs which included a paper route, and GASP working at Walmart, hahaha. I aint even came close to making what I used to make, hell I would give my left nut to make a month now what I used to make in a week back then. But I keep on keeping on, made some ok money off galleries for a few years, and that started drying up, so I started the free site stuff about 10 months ago and like what I am seeing so far, and from what I have been able to gather from researching and talking with other people another 2 years of this and I oughta be going somewhere, haha.
Hang in there man and keep on keeping on until you find something that works.

2006-11-08, 01:47 AM	#3
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Hey JD, Yup, the AVS's did fuck themselves out of a lot of long term business for percieved short term gain, some of them still are. If Netverifier was to pay me for all of the rebills they still collect on sites that were once good enough to qualify as Elite I'd be a rich man. But they changed the rules, downgraded the sites, and took my rebills, justifying it by having higher standards now. Pissed me off enough that I moved them. I'm still screwed for all of the rebills, but they're screwed as well because if I'm not making money with them, they're not making money with me. Ditto for Adult Check, who screwed thousands of wm's out of millions of dollars in rebills. Luckily for me I didn't have much with AC so I got out fairly painlessly. I'm not saying AVS is the only way to go, never put all of your eggs in one basket, but if I was sitting on 400 premium AVS sites that weren't doing anything I'd split them up between ProAdult Quantum and CyberAge Platinum. The 4000 feeder sites I'd likely have half as AVS feeders, half as free sites And I wouldn't worry about the age of the content so much, if you were buying content in the late 90's it's so old it may as well be new and I can't see any AVS turning you down for it. I've got about $100K in content I bought back then and no AVS has rejected it becouse it's old. It will take me years to go through all of it. The thing is, so many people who were very good at the AVS game got out of it when a couple of companies screwed them, and now the conventional wisdom is that it's dead, so newbies go right into free sites because they think that's the way it is. I'm pretty sure that's one of the reasons my AVS income is slowly and steadily rising, and why I still don't need a day job There's not as much competition there anymore. Celebs I still stay away from, used to do ok with them but dropped them when the legal shit started and haven't missed them. Maybe it's different now, but I don't even know who's famous anymore If you want to shoot the shit a bit my email is on the page my sig leads to. I think I remember you from the NV board where I used a different nick. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2006-11-09, 12:51 AM	#5
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	I do remember that guy that stole your sites, if I'm not mistaken he was from Switzerland and claimed he bough the sites from some guy in Latvia. If so, the same dude stole a bunch of NV Elites from me and put them up as Quantum. PA just handed them over to me and gave me his rebills as well. Hope the dude's flipping Swiss cheeseburgers now \|badidea\| __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2006-11-10, 01:01 AM	#7
Mr Exotic rifuckingdiculous Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cornfield in Indiana Posts: 532	JD sounds like you have had your share of hard times man. I feel for ya as I have been there myself. I didnt get fucked on AVS sites since I never did them, but I started off making big money pretty much right off the get go back in very late 99/very early 2000. I was making all my money off CJ (circle jerk) sites, which pretty much ceased to exist around the end of 2001. Man I was right out of high school making money hand over fist not really even having a clue as to how to actually make a sale. Just throw up a java alert, an exit console, and throw up a few little things on the page that made 3-4k/month for pocket change, haha, pocket change back then. My dad has a very good job building transmissions at Chrysler and I remember thinking I was big shit because I made more than him just off my exit console sponsor, and I made 3-4 times more than that on my java alert thingie, I had more money than I knew what to do with. I was young and dumb (right out of high school) and thought hell I am gonna be doing this exact same thing the rest of my life. Then it just so happened that as the bottom fell out of the CJ site scene I ended up with some pretty serious health problems and I didnt have insurance. So by the time I was better I had spent all my money on doctors, hospitals, and meds. And didnt have any money to get anything new started. It took me quite a while, but with alot of help from family, and some help from some online friends to point me in the right direction I was able to get back on my feet and at least make a living again online. I had some bad times in between though, I worked for a few people online, had a couple of shit jobs which included a paper route, and GASP working at Walmart, hahaha. I aint even came close to making what I used to make, hell I would give my left nut to make a month now what I used to make in a week back then. But I keep on keeping on, made some ok money off galleries for a few years, and that started drying up, so I started the free site stuff about 10 months ago and like what I am seeing so far, and from what I have been able to gather from researching and talking with other people another 2 years of this and I oughta be going somewhere, haha. Hang in there man and keep on keeping on until you find something that works. __________________ Submit Free Sites/Galleries