XXXJay way to step up on Zango

[Kinky]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

I joined the FSC

I just couldn't help but fall on the floor and laugh my ass off when I saw your post Chop I needed that too it's been a rough couple months since we all got to hang out in Sin City

on a side note "why doesn't god heal amputees?" that is an important and valid question every webmaster should know according to the zoo.

[jayeff]

Here's a few pro's and con's:

• I started a resource site at the beginning of September and began posting here (with a sig) about 10 days into the month. Despite that late start and its more restrictive sig rules, this board has generated the most visitors to date. GFY, where I have been posting since 2001, generated the fewest visitors of all the boards on which I post. However, Netpond and GFY visitors generated the most revenue. Make of those results what you will
• I started visiting GFY out of curiousity and then noticed that I was picking up maybe twice as much info about new sites and special promotions as I received by email. That had me double-checking that my sponsors had my current email address, yes they did, so in the end I came to the conclusion that many sponsors live in a world in which existing affiliates are supposed to visit their sites for news. The situation has improved a little in the past 5 years, but however much rubbish appears on GFY, I still don't know a single source more likely to keep one reasonably up to date.
• If you discount the obvious sig-whores and surfers, I would argue that GFY better represents a cross-section of the webmaster community than the boards which enforce their own standards. Certainly such enforcement makes the boards in question easier to use, but it also filters their posters, whereas on GFY you see everyone "in the raw" as it were. For better or worse, I like to see how people I may do business with behave when allowed to be themselves.

As to the XXXJay thing... I made my own observations about someone who runs both a sponsor program and a large traffic resource, apparently unconcerned that he was completely out of the loop on an issue which affected him directly (and negatively), but was nevertheless willing to take sides based solely on the personalities involved.

Unfortunately he isn't an exception and the reality of the scumware issue (and many others like it) is that they would never occur, were it not that those who decide to play dirty know that some will defend them because of who they are, while the vast majority of webmasters will stay on the sidelines. I doubt I shall ever understand why so few people in this industry are prepared to defend their business interests.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by jayeff

If you discount the obvious sig-whores and surfers, I would argue that GFY better represents a cross-section of the webmaster community than the boards which enforce their own standards.

You're an ass. You can't simply discount that shit. Take GFY as a fucking WHOLE. As a WHOLE, it's a haven for idiots and sig whores. Which are you?

Who the hell wants to filter through all that shit? Who? Answer me GODDAMN IT!

[eman]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You're an ass. You can't simply discount that shit. Take GFY as a fucking WHOLE. As a WHOLE, it's a haven for idiots and sig whores. Which are you?

Who the hell wants to filter through all that shit? Who? Answer me GODDAMN IT!

I can't believe your level of hostility.

Jayeff doesn't need me to speak up for him - he's far more articulate than am I - but I'd like to suggest that you spend a little time over at GFY and search out posts made by Jayeff. You'd discover that it's possible to present reasoned arguments without throwing insults.

[T Pat]

Originally Posted by eman

I can't believe your level of hostility.

Jayeff doesn't need me to speak up for him - he's far more articulate than am I - but I'd like to suggest that you spend a little time over at GFY and search out posts made by Jayeff. You'd discover that it's possible to present reasoned arguments without throwing insults.

Did Useless wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

I've read every post Jayef has made on GGandJ and all the tutorials he has written he's a brite guy and has offered a helping hand to many, I don't get where your coming from Useless

Back to the topic of this thread someone needs to start listening to the Greenguy and Jim Radio Show

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by eman

I can't believe your level of hostility.

Jayeff doesn't need me to speak up for him - he's far more articulate than am I - but I'd like to suggest that you spend a little time over at GFY and search out posts made by Jayeff. You'd discover that it's possible to present reasoned arguments without throwing insults.

I'd be willing to bet that in every legit thread that's started over there, there is at least one reply that would be considered useless, off topic, spammy, sig whore or just plain rude.

I've said it before - GFY has it's place in our world & I give Lensman all the credit in the world for starting it (and basically creating the sig market) but you can only sort thru so much shit to find a gem or 2.

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You're an ass. You can't simply discount that shit. Take GFY as a fucking WHOLE. As a WHOLE, it's a haven for idiots and sig whores. Which are you?

Who the hell wants to filter through all that shit? Who? Answer me GODDAMN IT!

I think you just proved my point better than I ever could...

[digifan]

Jayeff is a very educated and intelligent member of a few boards which should be proud of having him as a member. He is always helpful, up to date and a realist.

UW why are you mad at the world? It is not funny... when last time I told you that maybe you shouldn't bash people and webmasters whose mother language is not English, I was thinking of Stuvelje who is a respected member here and I am sorry you did not realize that. Now Jayeff is an ass... awesome... not.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by digifan

UW why are you mad at the world?

I'm not. Is there something new or surprising in my tone? I called a guy an ass for defending GFY. Big deal. GFY is a shit hole.

Originally Posted by digifan

It is not funny...

It wasn't meant to be!

Originally Posted by digifan

when last time I told you that maybe you shouldn't bash people and webmasters whose mother language is not English, I was thinking of Stuvelje who is a respected member here and I am sorry you did not realize that.

What the fuck are you talking about? What does Stu have to do with this? I love Stu, btw. When's the last time you told Greenie not bash foriegners? Would you like to take this thread in yet another direction? Is there some other issue you'd like to get off your chest?

Originally Posted by digifan

Now Jayeff is an ass... awesome... not.

Yes, that's my opinion. I'm sure he's a lovely guy, but I don't know him - how would I? I don't spend my days trolling GFY. |shocking|

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...When's the last time you told Greenie not bash foriegners?...

Hey Now! I don't bash foreigners, I bash non-English speaking webmasters. I'd bash a webmaster that was born in Cleveland if the only language they spoke Spanish

(PS - I can read deleted posts - BRILLIANT!)

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm not. Is there something new or surprising in my tone? I called a guy an ass for defending GFY. Big deal. GFY is a shit hole.

Actually what you did was reply to a post, using the exact same bad language and personal insults as so many people find distasteful on GFY. In fact your response was such that for a moment I thought I was on GFY by mistake...

Oh yes, and if you had read my post before dropping into keyboard warrior mode, you might have noticed that I was not offering a defense of GFY: merely stating my reasons for visiting it. I should have added that GFY is also a very useful place to learn who not to do business with. Thank you for reminding me of that omission.

[Senator_x]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You're an ass. You can't simply discount that shit. Take GFY as a fucking WHOLE. As a WHOLE, it's a haven for idiots and sig whores. Which are you?

Who the hell wants to filter through all that shit? Who? Answer me GODDAMN IT!

You are USELESS

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Senator_x

You are USELESS

Well, you're a clever little cunt, aren't ya. Did you think of that one on your own or did you pull that little piece of originality out of the GG&Jim archives?

Sit there...wondering if I give 1 and a 1/4 shits what YOU think of ME. I can already hear the hamsters jogging along on that little wheel you call a brain.

To hell with Zango. To hell with XXXJay's support of Lars. To hell with GFY. Let's make this ALL ABOUT ME and what a horrible bastard I am!

Would any other no-name fuck-face like to piss on me because I called Jayeff an ass? This shit makes me harder than midget porn (and you wouldn't believe how hard that makes me).

Now that I've called Senator (who?) a clever little cunt, would some other even less-known fuckwad like to battle me over that - or does this guy have no friends? I've time to waste.

Yes, I called Jayeff an ass for his opinion. Big fargin' deal. I'm sure he's a lovely chap with testes that smell of daisies.

Christ, I'm gonna need a Juicy sig if I keep this shit up.

BTW, Senator - I hope they change your name to Senator_cunt. Why don't you post a few more times in that thread, numbnuts.


I'm still blaming Gonzo for this whole mess.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, you're a clever little cunt, aren't ya. Did you think of that one on your own or did you pull that little piece of originality out of the GG&Jim archives?

Sit there...wondering if I give 1 and a 1/4 shits what YOU think of ME. I can already hear the hamsters jogging along on that little wheel you call a brain.

To hell with Zango. To hell with XXXJay's support of Lars. To hell with GFY. Let's make this ALL ABOUT ME and what a horrible bastard I am!

Would any other no-name fuck-face like to piss on me because I called Jayeff an ass? This shit makes me harder than midget porn (and you wouldn't believe how hard that makes me).

Now that I've called Senator (who?) a clever little cunt, would some other even less-known fuckwad like to battle me over that - or does this guy have no friends? I've time to waste.

Yes, I called Jayeff an ass for his opinion. Big fargin' deal. I'm sure he's a lovely chap with testes that smell of daisies.

Christ, I'm gonna need a Juicy sig if I keep this shit up.

BTW, Senator - I hope they change your name to Senator_cunt. Why don't you post a few more times in that thread, numbnuts.


I'm still blaming Gonzo for this whole mess.

God if you blame me for this you dont want to see what I just posted on Oprano about a class action suit.

[Senator_x]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, you're a clever little cunt, aren't ya. Did you think of that one on your own or did you pull that little piece of originality out of the GG&Jim archives?

Sit there...wondering if I give 1 and a 1/4 shits what YOU think of ME. I can already hear the hamsters jogging along on that little wheel you call a brain.

To hell with Zango. To hell with XXXJay's support of Lars. To hell with GFY. Let's make this ALL ABOUT ME and what a horrible bastard I am!

Would any other no-name fuck-face like to piss on me because I called Jayeff an ass? This shit makes me harder than midget porn (and you wouldn't believe how hard that makes me).

Now that I've called Senator (who?) a clever little cunt, would some other even less-known fuckwad like to battle me over that - or does this guy have no friends? I've time to waste.

Yes, I called Jayeff an ass for his opinion. Big fargin' deal. I'm sure he's a lovely chap with testes that smell of daisies.

Christ, I'm gonna need a Juicy sig if I keep this shit up.

BTW, Senator - I hope they change your name to Senator_cunt. Why don't you post a few more times in that thread, numbnuts.


I'm still blaming Gonzo for this whole mess.

You really hurt my feelings. For a minute, I though I was over at GFY. Aren't you the guy who does cheap useless TGP gallery designs?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Senator_cunt

You really hurt my feelings. For a minute, I though I was over at GFY. Aren't you the guy who does cheap useless TGP gallery designs?

Not in a loooooong time. You must have searched for my 25 posts on GFY to find that.

Let me know if you'd like to keep this going. I don't care who you are, what you are, or what you do - which is most likely nothing - you are a fucking fool if you think I'll allow you to pick and prod at me here. I'd suggest you shut your mouth and go on living peacefully.

[Senator_x]

Originally Posted by jayeff

Here's a few pro's and con's:

• I started a resource site at the beginning of September and began posting here (with a sig) about 10 days into the month. Despite that late start and its more restrictive sig rules, this board has generated the most visitors to date. GFY, where I have been posting since 2001, generated the fewest visitors of all the boards on which I post. However, Netpond and GFY visitors generated the most revenue. Make of those results what you will
• I started visiting GFY out of curiousity and then noticed that I was picking up maybe twice as much info about new sites and special promotions as I received by email. That had me double-checking that my sponsors had my current email address, yes they did, so in the end I came to the conclusion that many sponsors live in a world in which existing affiliates are supposed to visit their sites for news. The situation has improved a little in the past 5 years, but however much rubbish appears on GFY, I still don't know a single source more likely to keep one reasonably up to date.
• If you discount the obvious sig-whores and surfers, I would argue that GFY better represents a cross-section of the webmaster community than the boards which enforce their own standards. Certainly such enforcement makes the boards in question easier to use, but it also filters their posters, whereas on GFY you see everyone "in the raw" as it were. For better or worse, I like to see how people I may do business with behave when allowed to be themselves.

As to the XXXJay thing... I made my own observations about someone who runs both a sponsor program and a large traffic resource, apparently unconcerned that he was completely out of the loop on an issue which affected him directly (and negatively), but was nevertheless willing to take sides based solely on the personalities involved.

Unfortunately he isn't an exception and the reality of the scumware issue (and many others like it) is that they would never occur, were it not that those who decide to play dirty know that some will defend them because of who they are, while the vast majority of webmasters will stay on the sidelines. I doubt I shall ever understand why so few people in this industry are prepared to defend their business interests.

Ditto.. well said