1001 questions from a newbie.... me.

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by Kisa

Sort of. The ratios in both cases are terrible and getting worse. No one can figure out how to stop the leaking. Not TV, not online....

I only used the television analogy to try to get ned02 to understand what I was saying in extremely simple terms.

Originally Posted by Kisa

No one will answer my question: Why would you buy a membership if you can go to pornhub.com? It's an honest question. And just saying that it's up to me or whoever to convince or 'trick' the person into thinking they 'need' a membership doesn't count. Consumers are far more savvy than that and it's dangerous to underestimate them. (btw: I keep using pornhub as an example but they're hardly alone)

In order to answer that,I have to answer the question,'why do people do the things they do?'The answer is I don't know..But they do.

The world population is about 6.7 billion right now.I can sit hear and ponder what would drive each and every person to buy something they don't need all day long or I can build a porn site that I KNOW will convert at least 1:1500 with surfers.I'm not hoping or preying that some stupid gullible idiot will stumble along my path and purchase a pass from me.This conversion is going to happen because a horny guy choose to buy a pass.

[ned02]

Well I sure am glad to see the flurry of new posts...
Got lots a spin control to do now dont'cha

The obvious point that you two geniuses fail to understand is that there is more then one opinion out there.
There is more then one approach, to selling, to understanding and to living.

You think you got 'em by the balls? Well good for you guys, you go right ahead and keep on thinking that while you count your declining revenue.

Just the other day I saw a promo from a sponsor offering free full length, tube style clips. Up to 30 minutes a clip for free.

These people are moving in a direction very far removed from your traditional and outdated free-site thing.

They seem to have a different opinion and evidently a wildly different approach to selling porn.

I would be glad to post a link to a sample of what they are offering, just let me know
Don't worry it's not on that big bad boogie man porn-hub, that's been stealing all your sales as of late.

As well you have to distinguish between teaching someone what a free site is (which is nice) and then using the opportunity to fill them with nonsense ideas (which is not nice).

[Kisa]

Originally Posted by ned02

Well I sure am glad to see the flurry of new posts...
Got lots a spin control to do now dont'cha

The obvious point that you two geniuses fail to understand is that there is more then one opinion out there.
There is more then one approach, to selling, to understanding and to living.

You think you got 'em by the balls? Well good for you guys, you go right ahead and keep on thinking that while you count your declining revenue.

Just the other day I saw a promo from a sponsor offering free full length, tube style clips. Up to 30 minutes a clip for free.

These people are moving in a direction very far removed from your traditional and outdated free-site thing.

They seem to have a different opinion and evidently a wildly different approach to selling porn.

I would be glad to post a link to a sample of what they are offering, just let me know
Don't worry it's not on that big bad boogie man porn-hub, that's been stealing all your sales as of late.

As well you have to distinguish between teaching someone what a free site is (which is nice) and then using the opportunity to fill them with nonsense ideas (which is not nice).

yeah, there seems to be a split in the industry as to which direction to go concerning how much content to give away. I would say the cat's out of the bag and so now all you can do is attempt to tame it and work around it, with it, etc....

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by Kisa

It's Kisa not Krista..

Sorry Kisa.I suck with names sometimes.

Originally Posted by ned02

You think you got 'em by the balls?

Yeah..just keep saying that over and over like a mantra you fucking idiot!
got 'em by the balls..got 'em by the balls..got 'em by the balls...

Did this phrase trigger off some chemical imbalance in your head or something ned02? If I would have known you were going to be so deeply effected by it,believe me,I would have used a different choice of words!

Originally Posted by ned02

Just the other day I saw a promo from a sponsor offering free full length, tube style clips. Up to 30 minutes a clip for free.

No!Not That! Anything but 30 minute porn clips!

BTW How are they free full length clips if only the first 30 minutes is free? Use your fucking head!

[ned02]

Originally Posted by Star Man

Sorry Kisa.I suck with names sometimes.


Yeah..just keep saying that over and over like a mantra you fucking idiot!
got 'em by the balls..got 'em by the balls..got 'em by the balls...

Did this phrase trigger off some chemical imbalance in your head or something ned02? If I would have known you were going to be so deeply effected by it,believe me,I would have used a different choice of words!

No!Not That! Anything but 30 minute porn clips!

BTW How are they free full length clips if only the first 30 minutes is free? Use your fucking head!

Why are you so angry?
I guess I said some thing you don't like.
I know the truth can sometimes be hard to deal with.

Anyone in this industry who thinks they have anything by the balls, is probably just holding on to their own scrotum and praying that their income don't drop again.

You can call me as many names as you like, but it does not change the facts.
The adult industry is in a constant state of change and putting on blinders and continuing to repeat what was once successful no longer works.

The coming generation of potential customers are ten times as tech savvy and ten times as connected as the generation before them.
Not only do these people know where the free porn is, many of them built, program and maintain the hundreds of web sites it's on.

Stop kidding yourself and those you pretend to give advice to.
Time to start thinking outside the static, old fashioned free site.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ned02

Well I sure am glad to see the flurry of new posts...
Got lots a spin control to do now dont'cha

What spin control? You don't agree with me. So what? You're nothing to me. You disagreeing with me doesn't harm me or my opinions. If people reading this thread agree with you, I don't care. If they agree with me, I still don't care.

Originally Posted by ned02

The obvious point that you two geniuses fail to understand is that there is more then one opinion out there.
There is more then one approach, to selling, to understanding and to living.

No, ned - you're the non-genius who doesn't get that. You can't seem to express your opinion and give advice to Kisa without first attacking our opinions. You're the one who told Star man to "stop talking bullshit" because you disagree with his statements. You could have ignored what he said or respectfully disagreed and continued to dispense your own, but, for whatever childish reason, you had to declare that his opinions were bullshit.

Originally Posted by ned02

You think you got 'em by the balls? Well good for you guys, you go right ahead and keep on thinking that while you count your declining revenue.

You are fucking child. Buy the way, my income has increased over the last 4 months. Weird how someone could possibly make money while not agreeing with the almighty, yet unknown, ned, huh?

Originally Posted by ned02

They seem to have a different opinion and evidently a wildly different approach to selling porn.

Well, as stated, there are many, many ways to sell porn. Was that not obvious or did it just dawn on you?

Originally Posted by ned02

I would be glad to post a link to a sample of what they are offering, just let me know
Don't worry it's not on that big bad boogie man porn-hub, that's been stealing all your sales as of late.

Again, you're a child.

Originally Posted by ned02

As well you have to distinguish between teaching someone what a free site is (which is nice) and then using the opportunity to fill them with nonsense ideas (which is not nice).

Once again, you can't disagree with someone without referring to their opinions as "bullshit" or "nonsense." Of course, they're neither. We're discussing time-tested and proven ways of making sales. Just because it's not the same path that you follow, doesn't mean that it doesn't work. I assume that you simply don't know fuck-all.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ned02

Anyone in this industry who thinks they have anything by the balls, is probably just holding on to their own scrotum and praying that their income don't drop again.

I can't help but get let out a little giggle each time I see you stuck on this little point which you like to spin.

Originally Posted by ned02

The adult industry is in a constant state of change and putting on blinders and continuing to repeat what was once successful no longer works.

The coming generation of potential customers are ten times as tech savvy and ten times as connected as the generation before them.
Not only do these people know where the free porn is, many of them built, program and maintain the hundreds of web sites it's on.

Why do you think that the people here don't know that? This isn't big news here, nor any other industry board. I don't know why you feel it necessary to condescend, but I assume it was the way you were treated during your formative years.

Originally Posted by ned02

Stop kidding yourself and those you pretend to give advice to.
Time to start thinking outside the static, old fashioned free site.

You may be surprised to hear that a fair amount of people make their living with free sites. They're not for you, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the free site isn't a viable tool. Oh, that's right - anything that you disagree with is nonsense and bullshit.

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by ned02

Why are you so angry?
I guess I said some thing you don't like.
I know the truth can sometimes be hard to deal with.

I'm not angry.Believe it or not I get a kick out of being a prick if someone deserves it.

Originally Posted by ned02

Anyone in this industry who thinks they have anything by the balls, is probably just holding on to their own scrotum and praying that their income don't drop again.

Now your just trying to push my buttons.Nice try.

Originally Posted by ned02

You can call me as many names as you like, but it does not change the facts.

Even though your a pain in the ass,I shouldn't have resorted to name calling and I'm sorry that I called you a fucking idiot.

[p3rlphr33k]

Ned02, its sounds like you obviously have everything under control on your end. With that said why are you here? maybe you should take you "successful" ideas and run along with them. If creating enemies on webmaster boards is apart of your business model, well done.

[ned02]

Geez fellas, I don't know what to say. (but I'm sure I'll think of something)
I sure am glad that you take my opinions seriously enough to try and shoot them down.

Yeah, free sites are viable but their base is quickly being eroded in favor of tube and torrent sites not to mention the porn BBS's that look just like this forum but every post contains more free porn then you will find in 100 free sites and at no charge too!

It isn't that the advertising isn't there, it's there alright just in a different form, sometimes much more bold and in your face and sometime subtle like the page peel add or the IM pop-up. The point is it's dynamic and adaptable and the level of participation between surfer, webmaster and affiliate has changed tremendously.

Looking at the rules to get your static, don't you dare change it, free site listed on a link list is like looking at granny's old school book. It's amusing and way out of touch. How quaint.

Just a few more of my humble opinions

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by ned02

Geez fellas, I don't know what to say. (but I'm sure I'll think of something)

Thats usually a good indication that you should shut the fuck up but we know were not that lucky so why not open with your usual act- Say something really stupid!

Originally Posted by ned02

I sure am glad that you take my opinions seriously enough to try and shoot them down.

For all we know your a deranged porn surfer that found his way to this board.You have done or said NOTHING to convice anyone else otherwise.Like UW said,you speak in generalities.It's wierd.

Let's see what your working on ned.And don't grab some nice looking tube porn site from google and claim it's yours either.Let's see what your up to hot shot!

Originally Posted by ned02

Yeah, free sites are viable but their base is quickly being eroded in favor of tube and torrent sites not to mention the porn BBS's that look just like this forum but every post contains more free porn then you will find in 100 free sites and at no charge too!

Now I feel EXTRA guilty from making money from free sites.

Originally Posted by ned02

It isn't that the advertising isn't there, it's there alright just in a different form, sometimes much more bold and in your face and sometime subtle like the page peel add or the IM pop-up. The point is it's dynamic and adaptable and the level of participation between surfer, webmaster and affiliate has changed tremendously.

Oh you mean those advertisements that no one clicks on? Gotta get me some of those.

Originally Posted by ned02

It's amusing and way out of touch.

Oh sorta like your posts.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ned02

Geez fellas, I don't know what to say. (but I'm sure I'll think of something)
I sure am glad that you take my opinions seriously enough to try and shoot them down.

Yeah, free sites are viable but their base is quickly being eroded in favor of tube and torrent sites not to mention the porn BBS's that look just like this forum but every post contains more free porn then you will find in 100 free sites and at no charge too!

It isn't that the advertising isn't there, it's there alright just in a different form, sometimes much more bold and in your face and sometime subtle like the page peel add or the IM pop-up. The point is it's dynamic and adaptable and the level of participation between surfer, webmaster and affiliate has changed tremendously.

Looking at the rules to get your static, don't you dare change it, free site listed on a link list is like looking at granny's old school book. It's amusing and way out of touch. How quaint.

Just a few more of my humble opinions

After a fairly poor night's sleep (dog woke me up to go outside even though there's a doggy door, PSU fan started making noise, etc.), I've reread this thread and I'm not entirely certain what the hell the real argument is about. Ok, ned, you feel that free sites and the rules governing their composition are antiquated and they fail to adequately compete against tubes, torrents and porn forums. Is ned really so passionately opposed to free sites that he was willing to take a good-hearted effort to help a newbie and transform it into this mess? Perhaps, but I'm sure many of us could find some points of agreement on the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of the modern free site, but with the understanding that free sites, galleries, blogs or any other method of SELLING porn isn't meant to compete against those who ignore copyrights, content licenses, sponsor TOS and common sense. Thus far, the argument against this model is analogous to saying a pharmacy should be shut down because it'll never going compete with the crack dealer on the corner.

I suppose what I'm saying, ned, is that you should step up and bring something to the table. We get it - you don't think Kisa should build and submit free sites because she won't be able to compete with stolen porn. Fine, what then? What is poor, innocent Kisa to do? ned? You there buddy? Illuminate us all. The naive children of GG&Jim are eagerly awaiting omnipotent illumination.

[ned02]

While I appreciate your reply, I did not think the argument was based on how to compete against the plethora of free and stolen porn.

I took exception to a statement made by starman:

"We're the ones with the free porn here and were running the show so if we feel like making surfers go through 5 pages of bullshit to get to the porn not only are they going to like it,their going to beg for seconds!Were calling the shots here!We got em by the balls and their credit cards!"

Hindsight being 20/20 I should not have said this was bullshit, so let me rephrase it to "I strongly disagree with the above statement."

It's misleading on it's own, it's misleading in the context of the original post and it's misleading in the context of a newbie board.
It's just hype, (I'm being polite here), totally unrelated to the real world of selling porn.

If you are a webmaster just starting off, reading a statement like that instantly gives you the wrong impression of the adult biz.
In fact it was a real hoot to read something so patently false like that in 2008.

To wrap it up, Kisa is free to build whatever she wants to build, I believe the most important thing is for Kisa to build her empire with her eyes wide open and not with a view that's been obfuscated by foolish talk.

[Greenguy]

Ned - would you like me to merge this username with your other one?

(MML caught it - give him the credit)

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by ned02

Hindsight being 20/20 I should not have said this was bullshit, so let me rephrase it to "I strongly disagree with the above statement."

Great..100 pages later after turning a newb thread into a battle field you choose to rephrase it...

'stop talking bullshit' is only reason I got snippy with you.It was just a disrespectful bitch slap for no reason."I strongly disagree" on the other hand would have been the way to go. No offense but brush up on your social skills a bit dude.

Originally Posted by ned02

It's just hype, (I'm being polite here), totally unrelated to the real world of selling porn.

I attempted to translate/dumb down my quote for you earlier and ended up fucking the whole post up and missing my own point anyhow so fuck it.

I will say though that I have no problem admitting when I do or say something stupid.

Originally Posted by ned02

and not with a view that's been obfuscated by foolish talk.

Yeah yeah.Let's just call a truce and end this.

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ned - would you like me to merge this username with your other one?

(MML caught it - give him the credit)

Oh snap. A double nick

[Star Man]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ned - would you like me to merge this username with your other one?

(MML caught it - give him the credit)

BUUUUUSTED!!!!!!!!!

Nice detective work santa!

[Kisa]

Just for the record, I'm building freesites (the correct way) but am also working on a proposed government bailout for the entire porn industry

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ned - would you like me to merge this username with your other one?

(MML caught it - give him the credit)

I'm gonna say that silence implies guilt.

[NY Jester]

I was waiting to see how long it took for someone to catch it....

[p3rlphr33k]

heh, nice..

[Greenguy]

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Hi Alex

[Bill]

Well thats kinda crazy. You sure? ned is alex? And it was alex saying all the sponsors are crooks? (like anybody with any sense hasn't already known this for years... and still made money off those crooks.)

Freesites are antiquated, thats true enough. Google decided that all for us. We were trying to do something we thought was responsible, putting a layer of protection between free porn and minors, but google decided that the minors aren't google's market interest.

Life is like that.

Hey, lets all start tube sites - we'll make a mint. No lets all start forums. Wait - it's blogs, lets all start blogs. Web 2.0, thats where the money is. Ooops, we're back to tube sites.

Oh noes, it's the end of content!

It's like musical chairs - the last guy left with a tube site wins.

[Bill]

Hey ned, if you're Alex, Hi man. I kinda miss you, you old rascal.

You do have a talent for stirring the shit dude, but it ain't like you're wrong, just a little tense.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Kisa

No one will answer my question: Why would you buy a membership if you can go to pornhub.com?

It's a combination of factors - but the simple fact is, some percentage of surfers still do.

Not as much as before, no. And it will get worse.

I can go into my theories and explantions of why, talk about excitement thresholds, porn addiction and the craving for variety, "face hunting", the ecology of the internet and virtual regions, specialty shopping, impulse buying, and fetishistic attractions, etc etc.

But it doesn't seem like there's much point in doing so.

Personally, I think you should run from the porn biz like the devil himself was about to gore you with a 4 foot spiked and red hot iron cock. Intellectual property theft has doomed us all.

Or go start a tube site - yeah, thats the ticket!