Mature vs Milf - and where the hell do "housewives" fit into all this?

[Greenguy]

Ok - maybe not the last part, but the mature vs Milf thing is really starting to bug me. This is how I always thought it was:

Milf - 30something, mom
Mature - 40+, old enough to be a grandmother (but not necessarily one)

Now I know that a lot of people take "mature" to cover milf & mature and then use "granny" (or some variation) to cover really old women.

Thoughts?

[Smutferret]

I've never really had a good understanding of MILF but I always figured it was about middle aged women who've had children. I assumed it would be for the 30 to 40+ range...I also figured they should kind of have that soccer mom look to them.

I look forward to seeing the results of this poll.

Regards,
SF

[Smutferret]

It just occurred to me that I've always thought of MILF as a sub-niche of mature...

Regards,
SF

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Milf - 30something, mom
Mature - 40+, old enough to be a grandmother (but not necessarily one)

that's pretty much what I went with, but now we have (drumroll please....) the COUGAR!

so, my thoughts are
Milf = 30ish mom with younger kids like toddlers
Cougar = 35-45 mom with older kids maybe hs age
Mature = 50 + with adult kids, maybe grandkids.
Granny = at least 50, but if I had those other categories too it would be only 60 plus really wrinkly babes

Because cougar isn't really that popular yet (although I've seen a couple of sites) I'll still go with under 40 for milf and over for mature. In a perfect world, granny would have it's own category too, separate from mature.

I have a wives category, but I use that for cheating wives, swingers or bang my wife type of sites. I would think other than that, housewives would fit into one of those other categories.

[Smutferret]

LOL! I was watching a baseball game last week and the commentators were talking about some dating show that had babes going up against cougars. I didn't give it much thought at the time...

Regards,
SF

[Viper]

MILF - They have to be "hot". They need to be probably about 35+. Keep in mind that "MILFs" are considered Moms I'd Love To Fuck. Late teen, early college guys wanting to fuck their friends hot mom. So they need to be old enough to have "kids" in that age range. i.e. It's the perspective of a late teen early 20s guy that makes her a MILF. What's interesting is that I've found that the best converting MILF sites (with traffic specifically looking for MILFs) aren't the ones with the "young" girls. They're usually the women around 40. Too many MILF sites are slapping up sites with young girls and calling them MILFs just cause they have a kid. That doesn't sell well with MILF specific traffic.

Granny is 60+ IMO - or younger if she "looks" like a granny.

Cougar is an aggresive MILF. i.e. They go out looking for young guys to fuck. It's more an attitude than an age thing. A sub-niche of MILF.

Mature IMO is more of a catchall at this point. Probably 30-60. If they're not "hot" then they're just "mature".

Basically, MILF and Cougar grew out of Mature.

Soccer mom.. Hell if I know.. But I would assume it's going to be a late 20s, early 30s hot woman. i.e. their kids are old enough to be dragged around in the mini-van to their sports stuff. Not getting enough or any sex. Probably a sub-niche of housewives?

I have NO idea where housewives fits...

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Viper

MILF - They have to be "hot". They need to be probably about 35+. Keep in mind that "MILFs" are considered Moms I'd Love To Fuck. Late teen, early college guys wanting to fuck their friends hot mom. So they need to be old enough to have "kids" in that age range. i.e. It's the perspective of a late teen early 20s guy that makes her a MILF.

this is where it gets confusing lol. If she's old enough to have kids that are late teens 20s, she'd have to be at least around 40 (well, usually ) To me, that's not a milf. When our local radio contest had a 'milf-hunt' contest, all the moms were the daycare set. Guys I know in my age group (mid-thirties or so hehe) use the term to describe hot mom types they want, not their friend's moms.

Originally Posted by Viper

Cougar is an aggresive MILF. i.e. They go out looking for young guys to fuck. It's more an attitude than an age thing. A sub-niche of MILF.

now, my opinion was this grew out of the 'my friend's hot mom' type of thing. If a guy's old enough to want an older chick, he's going to be at least late teens. So the moms in that circle will be a bit older, mid 30s to mid 40s. I agree that the aggressiveness is part of a cougar, she's usually divorced and on the prowl, and likes younger guys. But I wouldn't call a 30 year old a cougar. Hell, I don't even call myself that yet

[HC-Majick]

I have both milf and mature categories, and my general opinion....

Milf 30~45ish - has kids w/friends in the age range where they'd notice 'their friend's hot mom' (see American Pie....)
Mature 45~60ish definately looks "older" and usually not likely to be called "hot" anymore except by hubby...
Granny - grey hair, wrinkles...senior citizen
Housewife - generic term, could be 20's or 40's, kids or no kids, a woman who stays home banging the delivery guy while hubby works

[Viper]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

this is where it gets confusing lol. If she's old enough to have kids that are late teens 20s, she'd have to be at least around 40 (well, usually ) To me, that's not a milf. When our local radio contest had a 'milf-hunt' contest, all the moms were the daycare set. Guys I know in my age group (mid-thirties or so hehe) use the term to describe hot mom types they want, not their friend's moms.

I hear you about the confusion part. And it's true that older guys also refer to some women as MILFs even if it's not their friends mom. As it becomes more and more part of every day speach, it gets "diluted"... But I always go back to what I consider the "genesis" of the term or that "definition" of what it's supposed to be, and that's the first American Pie movie. i.e. Finch fucking Stifflers MILF mom. That movie put the term MILF on the map.

Originally Posted by ponygirl

now, my opinion was this grew out of the 'my friend's hot mom' type of thing. If a guy's old enough to want an older chick, he's going to be at least late teens. So the moms in that circle will be a bit older, mid 30s to mid 40s. I agree that the aggressiveness is part of a cougar, she's usually divorced and on the prowl, and likes younger guys. But I wouldn't call a 30 year old a cougar. Hell, I don't even call myself that yet

From what I hear, Cougar is a term that's come out of the California night life scene of agressive "mature" women on the prowl for young men. I think that my impression that it's an aggresive MILF is probably because as it's becoming a more mainstream term it's being shifted from any mature/old women to the hotter types. So probably not appropriate. Just did a bit more reading and it can even be "grannies". It's more their actions in that their heading out to the clubs, makup plastered on, cleavage enhanced etc. in order to pick up a young guy to fuck.

At the end of the day, what does the surfer think.. And all I know for sure is that with guys searching for MILFs, they buy more memberships to the sites where the women actually look more mature.. i.e. around 40... so late 30s to late 40s probably. In fact, I put a friends new MILF site in a really prominent place on a SEO MILF site and it did extremely poorly.. It features younger looking women on the tour. The most popular MILFs that are still searched for from MILF Hunter are often the very first ones they did, the ones that looked much older. Man did that site sell great when it first came out with those older looking women. Look at the NA site myfriendshotmom. That's the most popular site and check out how "old" most of those women look.

Don't know about the Cougar ones yet.. Just getting going with promoting that specific area.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Viper

MILF - They have to be "hot"....

Oddly enough that's how I break it down. If she could pass as a mom and she's hot she's a MILF. Anything else I throw into mature, regardless of age. Trust me, some of these Russian "MILF" chicks I've seen I don't want my cock anywhere near, so I would not "Like to Fuck" them.

Cougars, housewives, soccer moms are just descriptors that get tossed into any one of the the two categories I mentioned above based on said criteria.

[Tekster]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Oddly enough that's how I break it down. If she could pass as a mom and she's hot she's a MILF. Anything else I throw into mature, regardless of age. Trust me, some of these Russian "MILF" chicks I've seen I don't want my cock anywhere near, so I would not "Like to Fuck" them.

Cougars, housewives, soccer moms are just descriptors that get tossed into any one of the the two categories I mentioned above based on said criteria.

I agree 100%. MILFs have to be hot, otherwise you have mature, and maybe granny if really old.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Greenie

....and where the hell do "housewives" fit into all this?

Housewife is a subcategory of wife. For the sake of the adult biz, a housewife has no career obligations outside the home and spends her days fucking the neighbors, delivery guys, repairmen, etc.

just my 2¢

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by HC-Majick

I have both milf and mature categories, and my general opinion....

Milf 30~45ish - has kids w/friends in the age range where they'd notice 'their friend's hot mom' (see American Pie....)
Mature 45~60ish definately looks "older" and usually not likely to be called "hot" anymore except by hubby...
Granny - grey hair, wrinkles...senior citizen
Housewife - generic term, could be 20's or 40's, kids or no kids, a woman who stays home banging the delivery guy while hubby works

That's how I would categorize them. I never gave much thought to the term "Cougar" but Viper seems to have hit the nail on the head with that term.

[lorsha]

Originally Posted by Toby

Housewife is a subcategory of wife. For the sake of the adult biz, a housewife has no career obligations outside the home and spends her days fucking the neighbors, delivery guys, repairmen, etc.

just my 2¢

And just what is wrong with that?? |shocking|

[sue-fl]

I've always had a hard time with this also. I agree a milf has to be sexy to make it in that category. I think she should be 30 and under, mature 30+ and granny 50+. Most of the time I can't tell how old she is by looking at her unless she is wrinkled

I'm in my forties, not wrinkled, a grandmother but I don't think I belong in the granny category yet

Lately I've been sticking with the really wrinkled granny age which is much easier.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by lorsha

And just what is wrong with that?? |shocking|

Not a damn thing so long as hubby is fine with it.

[Toby]

I think a MILF should be old enough that her kids are old enough to have school mates who think she's hot, so 30'ish. In my opinion a 20-something mother of toddlers isn't a MILF.

Originally Posted by sue-fl

...I agree a milf has to be sexy to make it in that category. I think she should be 30 and under, mature 30+ and granny 50+...

I completely disagree with an upper age limit on MILF. If she's hot but well over 30 she's still a MILF.

I can point you to a couple of web sites of ladies in their 50's that are still hot as hell, definitely MILF material. Just one example, Roni is 55.

[sue-fl]

Originally Posted by Toby

I completely disagree with an upper age limit on MILF. If she's hot but well over 30 she's still a MILF.

I can point you to a couple of web sites of ladies in their 50's that are still hot as hell, definitely MILF material. Just one example, Roni is 55.

This is why I get confussed. Roni that you pointed out looks great but she looks mature. I wouldn't think she would be in the milf category

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by sue-fl

This is why I get confussed. Roni that you pointed out looks great but she looks mature. I wouldn't think she would be in the milf category

I guess I'm a bit confused too lol

I would peg Roni as mature, maybe cougar - not granny or milf. There's so many categories now (milf, cougar, mature, granny) that we could certainly be a bit structured on what we put in them. The way it's been marketed around here (these terms have become quite mainstream anymore!) I would consider myself a milf (at 37) because when I walk around the mall with my kids, guys (of whatever age) are going to say 'hey - there's a mom I'd like to fuck' - not because my son's friends think I'm hot

that's my story and I'm stickin to it

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

I would consider myself a milf (at 37) because when I walk around the mall with my kids, guys (of whatever age) are going to say 'hey - there's a mom I'd like to fuck' - not because my son's friends think I'm hot

I consider my wife to be a HISF - Hag I'm Stuck Fucking

Roni is an enigma. She doesn't count. She's going to still be hot 10 years after she's dead.

If I had the submissions to support it, I wouldn't include granny within the the mature category. AND, I don't mind seeing mature on a MILF site, but it annoys me to no end to see MILF on a mature site. Especially the titles. Why would submit a site to the mature category when you've used MILF in the title or description?

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I consider my wife to be a HISF - Hag I'm Stuck Fucking

hehe you're just lucky she loves you so much

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If I had the submissions to support it, I wouldn't include granny within the the mature category. AND, I don't mind seeing mature on a MILF site, but it annoys me to no end to see MILF on a mature site. Especially the titles. Why would submit a site to the mature category when you've used MILF in the title or description?

ideally, I'd have all 4 categories, and not care what it was subbed to. I'd just put it where I thought it fit. I think a lot of people have different ideas on what is milf & what's mature, which may come from geographic or cultural differences on what is looked at as mature. Like I said, where I am, milf is promoted (in mainstream media) as a young mom, cougar as an older mom, and mature as over 45, regardless of whether she has kids.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Roni is an enigma. She doesn't count. She's going to still be hot 10 years after she's dead.

now there's a picture LOL. Although if it's something in the water, I'd kill for a bottle

[lorsha]

A lot of the confusion comes in when building a milf site, but then not having a milf category to put it into on certain sites ... so it ends up in mature. And vice versa.

[tigermom]

I've seen so many discussions over this. I guess "they" will never issue an official definition. For the purposes of freesite building, a lot depends on the site you're trying to sell, what kind of tour/models it features and how you want to sell it. For myself, as a submitter, I appreciate some flexibility from LL owners in that respect, so that they let me decide if I want the site in the mature or MILF category

[docholly]

I go with the "Stiffler's mom" thing. 20s and early 30's with 5-10 yr olds do not sit around going "wow your mom is HOT and i'd love to fuck her"
someone 35+ if they had their 1st at 18 -- could have a 17 yr old or 18 yr old on up saying to his buddy.. Wow I'd love to fuck your mom..

The term cougar referring to an aggressive MILF (or mature) has been around for a while. I have a CamHoe who has the 1_Hot_Cougar for at least 7 years. And she's STILL hot.

Quite frankly its the same issue with "what is a BBW" like if someone submits a 140lb chick as a FAT BBW etc etc. I decline. Like I know girls whose tits weigh 140lbs.. there is as much debate on that as their is on the MILF age thing.

[SmithsMedia]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ok - maybe not the last part, but the mature vs Milf thing is really starting to bug me. This is how I always thought it was:

Milf - 30something, mom
Mature - 40+, old enough to be a grandmother (but not necessarily one)

Now I know that a lot of people take "mature" to cover milf & mature and then use "granny" (or some variation) to cover really old women.

Thoughts?

I think they are one of the same thing still, to me MILF is a slang term that started to get used a lot esp here in the UK when American pie came out.

If I am out with me mates and they see a bird who is basically over 30 they describe as a MILF. But I can see what the general view is and will try and estimate the old birds ages in future