Do we, as an adult webmaster community, oppose supporting adult versions of YouTube?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Tommy

you guys are a bunch of hypocrytes

I have seen so many webmasters defend porn by claiming free speech but now that their income could be threatened free speech doesn't matter so much

to much free porn is no good for the business but of course those very same webmasters are putting porn on the web for free.
but of course they are putting out just the right amount of free porn, so its ok


ohh and lets not forget the copyright BS
that's like telling Ford they cant build cars cause some of them might be used as get away cars to rob banks

you would starve technical innovation and progress because somebody might violate a copyright. what if they said that about the Internet as whole back in 1995

99.9 percent of adult content owners never bother to file any copyrights

You're missing the point - we all know it has legit uses.

What I'm trying to see is that if my feelings are the same as most of the people on this board (aka community) as far as not supporting it.

Understanding something is completely different than supporting it & I find it really hard to understand how you could support something that would teach surfers that they don't need Link Lists or TGPs, seeing as you own one of the biggest out there.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You're missing the point - we all know it has legit uses.

What I'm trying to see is that if my feelings are the same as most of the people on this board (aka community) as far as not supporting it.

Understanding something is completely different than supporting it & I find it really hard to understand how you could support something that would teach surfers that they don't need Link Lists or TGPs, seeing as you own one of the biggest out there.

I am not missing the point. I really think you are

you don't like it cause it might cost you some money

the company's that sold pay phones said the same thing about cell phones they were wrong then and you are wrong now

millions of companies or people have been put out of work because of progress should we have banned computers back in the 70s or ban robots today

just cause I make my living from a link list doesn't mean I am gonna turn myself into a hypocrite

so basically your argument is
my free porn is OK but theirs isn't cause I make less money

[Useless]

I don't see tube sites as progress. There is nothing new about the way in which they stream video. Hell, it's not even a good business model. Everything I've heard is that the ROI is very low and that dealing with the barrage of copyright and other legal issues is a huge pain in the balls.

I think most of us are anti-tube for the same reason we are against free sites with 1k pics on them. We should, as a community, have some type of barometer of how much free porn is too much compared to the amount of advertising the surfer must confront.

[ClickBuster]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I think most of us are anti-tube for the same reason we are against free sites with 1k pics on them. We should, as a community, have some type of barometer of how much free porn is too much compared to the amount of advertising the surfer must confront.

True, but who cares about tons of videos when after watching 5 crappy video one after another you just close the site and move on to the next one. Peope who are serious porn buyers care about the quality of delivered free porn, not the amounts. IMHO it's always like that, no matter the industry.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ClickBuster

True, but who cares about tons of videos when after watching 5 crappy video one after another you just close the site and move on to the next one. Peope who are serious porn buyers care about the quality of delivered free porn, not the amounts. IMHO it's always like that, no matter the industry.

I realize what surfers prefer to have. But we're supposed to convince them to pay to get the higher quality, not give it to them so they have no motivation to purchase. We give them lower quality samples, plenty of advertising, and tell them to join if they want the full-sized, full length, crystal clear, hi-def whatevers.

I understand what you are saying about TGPs and Link Lists compared to the tube sites. TGPs and Link Lists have been a very static model for quite awhile, but I'd vastly prefer see them evolve, and I think there is room for that, rather than seeing tubes handing out buckets of video clips without having the proper advertising:content ratio.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I am not missing the point. I really think you are

you don't like it cause it might cost you some money

the company's that sold pay phones said the same thing about cell phones they were wrong then and you are wrong now

millions of companies or people have been put out of work because of progress should we have banned computers back in the 70s or ban robots today

just cause I make my living from a link list doesn't mean I am gonna turn myself into a hypocrite

so basically your argument is
my free porn is OK but theirs isn't cause I make less money

No, for the love of I'm saying that I don't SUPPORT it. While I understand it & I see how it could be valuable to some people, that does not mean that I have to support it.

Based on all the examples you're posted, do you think that the companies that had the old technology helped/supported the new technology?

If you want to support it, go nuts. When someone figures out how to attach an affiliate program to it (and they will) make sure you sign up & put a big banner on the index & main pages of your site. Here's the text you can use under it:
Don't bother surfing these free sites & galleries! Click Here for all the free porn movies you can handle! And then delete all your bookmarks, including this one, because my site sucks compared to the free movies you'll get at Free-Video-Site

[Maj. Stress]

I think if an adult tube type site got as popular as "you tube", it could draw more negative publicity to our industry. Then we have congressmen trying to pass new laws and it all ends up in the courts again. This industry has more than it's share of legal battles. No need to throw gas on the fire.

[Halfdeck]

I haven't read this thread but here are some of my off-the-cuff thoughts on why I'm against this:

1) There will NEVER be an adult version of YouTube. Unless you're talking about your neighbor videotaping himself and his wife go at it and uploading it for the world to see, what we have going on right now is not and never will be an adult version of YouTube.

2) The only site that gains from the traffic is the video hosting site. Submitters send them traffic that will never come back and paysite owners lose sales by helping create a site no one has to pay for.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

1) There will NEVER be an adult version of YouTube. Unless you're talking about your neighbor videotaping himself and his wife go at it and uploading it for the world to see, what we have going on right now is not and never will be an adult version of YouTube.

Good point -- there's a big difference between the homemade content users post on youtube and the stolen or promo content posted on pornotube, etc. That doesn't mean it won't catch on, though. I think the new site rude.com encourages non-pro users to do just that: broadcast their own cams and post their own porn videos. Those kinds of sites have done well in the past when they were picture oriented and as long as 2257 doesn't scare everyone away it could happen. It already happens a lot in fetish communities where the fetishists make and share their own porn (there's a doll-sex site and forum like that).