What about a self-inflicted censorship?

[aj]

As some of you perhaps know in Germany promoting any hardcore material is
due to protection of minors strictly prohibited. One mustn't even show genitals
too obvious, all free accessible media have to be garbled at the "hot spots" so
most webmasters already promote only softcore. Here's a little example of what
this looks like:

http://www.arschfick.de

Hardcore is only available after identifying in so called face to face procedure.
Surfers willing to access hardcore-sites have to proof their identity and age
signing at post offices. This is very annoying and sure the reason why most sites
running on .de-domains quit business as German surfers can find free porn just
two clicks away.

But!
Wouldn't it help adult webmasters worldwide making more sales if we all garbled
our promo-material, a self-inflicted censorship? Imagine there is no more "free
pussy" on the net. People would sign up as hell, wouldn't they?

What do you think about it?

[Jim]

Of course it would work great if everyone did it but, that will never happen. On another note, I remember a friend in Germany who had his servers seized. Has this law been in place for a while?

[aj]

Everyone should do it, because everyone would benefit from it by creating more sales.

@ note:
It can happen any time when one isn't aware of every little detail. Protection of minors has always been a topic in Germany, but the internet-part (JuSCHG - Telemedien) has been in place since 2003 afaik.

[Bobc01]

Surely if the content is hosted in the US for example then it can't break any local laws?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by aj

Everyone should do it, because everyone would benefit from it by creating more sales.

But IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. The point is moot. This concept dawns on every newbie mind eventually.

And isn't it silly to censor pics on a site called "ass fuck"? How is that protecting anyone?

[aj]

@ Bobc01:
Linking to that content from any .de-Domain without age-verfication-process for
the surfer would take me to court.

@ Useless Warrior:
Yeah, how can anyone be protected when a simple search on google will take you to
everything you desire? In my country politicians are way behind, they just don't understand
that the internet doesnt end at the countryborder.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by aj

In my country politicians are way behind, they just don't understand that the internet doesnt end at the countryborder.

Same here, aj. We're just lucky to have a man named Larry Flynt who fought hard and created the few legal precedents which protect us. Well, the Constitution gave us certain rights. Larry Flynt had to remind our government that we had those rights.

[aj]

Can we hire Larry?
It's getting even worse here. From January 1st, all communications data
(ip-connections, mobilephone calls and callers local position, sms and more)
of all German citizens will be stored for 6 months. Further, the Secretary of the
Interior prepares a law which enables authorities to online-scan peoples
computers without their knowledge. Big brother is coming true.

[LD]

Originally Posted by aj

Can we hire Larry?
It's getting even worse here. From January 1st, all communications data
(ip-connections, mobilephone calls and callers local position, sms and more)
of all German citizens will be stored for 6 months. Further, the Secretary of the
Interior prepares a law which enables authorities to online-scan peoples
computers without their knowledge. Big brother is coming true.

What is the reason behind this? Here in the US our government typically uses threats of terrorism to spy on us and remove privacy.

[aj]

Same reason here. Global war on terrorism requires us to provide our fingerprints on
our passports. Our communications is about to be completely controlled in the
name of terror. There's an apt quotation by Nazi Hermann Göring:

Finally leaders of country rule its policy and its very easy to make the people taking their part, no matter if it is in a democracy, a fascistic dictatorship, a parliament or a communistic dictatorship. The people can be lead to always follow the leaders commands. It's quite simple. One just have to tell the people they're under attack, accuse pacifists to their lack of patriotism and assert they are a danger for the country. This method works in every country.
- Hermann Göring

I hope this translation can be understood.


Back to topic:
If I ran a paysite, I would only give out garbled promo-material.

[CD Smith]

Not trying to be a smartass here AJ, but another solution for you might be to:

move out of Germany.



Just a thought.

[aj]

Originally Posted by CD Smith

Not trying to be a smartass here AJ, but another solution for you might be to:

move out of Germany.

Just a thought.

That's the plan! This is why I do all this shit
I don't care for my mislead fellow citizen or any stupid minor protection laws.

But to realize my plan, some money is needed. And in order to make more of it by
an increasing number of sales, we all (webmasters as well as paysite-owners)
should reconsider the way we are promoting our goods.

Ever been surfing porn? There's no sign-up necessary for a good wank

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by aj

Can we hire Larry?
It's getting even worse here. From January 1st, all communications data
(ip-connections, mobilephone calls and callers local position, sms and more)
of all German citizens will be stored for 6 months. Further, the Secretary of the
Interior prepares a law which enables authorities to online-scan peoples
computers without their knowledge. Big brother is coming true.

I am sorry to say it, but this all happened before in Germany, it was just the low tech version, and don't feel all alone, even with good people standing up for our rights they chip away at our freedoms everyday

:|

[Bobc01]

It probably won't matter where you live in future as you won't be able to take a shit without the goverments knowing, that will include info such as, number of logs, consistancy, texture and the amount of peanuts involved, not to mention the amount of flushes, toilet paper used, air polution and names, addresses of people complaining of the smell.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Bobc01

Surely if the content is hosted in the US for example then it can't break any local laws?

Not sure about Germany, but back when we had similarly draconian laws in the UK, the law was against "creating or uploading" pornographic material. It did not matter where it was hosted, if the website was designed in the country, or it was uploaded from the country, you got sent to jail.

And nowadays it does not even matter if you live outside the country or are a citizen of another country. A short while back a Brit who was running a gambolling site from Britain was arrested at the request of the US government, and sent over there for trial simply because people in the US were using his site!!!!

[aj]

This thread wasnt supposed turning into a local-laws-debate

Fact is, there's way too much pussy out there making it much harder for all of us.
Why should a porn-surfer sign-up? By providing FHGs all material is given
to them - FOR FREE. They just have to change a single number in the galleries-
url and download complete series that way. (Did you notice a phenomenon like
that in your logs?)

Let's all put some fig-leaves in front of the pussies....no more free pussy.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by aj

This thread wasnt supposed turning into a local-laws-debate

Fact is, there's way too much pussy out there making it much harder for all of us.
Why should a porn-surfer sign-up? By providing FHGs all material is given
to them - FOR FREE. They just have to change a single number in the galleries-
url and download complete series that way. (Did you notice a phenomenon like
that in your logs?)

Let's all put some fig-leaves in front of the pussies....no more free pussy.

You are 100% right aj, but as Useless pointed out, not everyone is going to go for it. People in this biz are rebels by nature, not followers of rules, and as long as some believe there is money to be made in giving pussy away, they will do so.

Getting away from your local laws sounds easy though, register a dot com and host it with an American or Dutch, or Canadian or any host outside of your country. Why would you need a .de domain?

[aj]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Getting away from your local laws sounds easy though, register a dot com and host it with an American or Dutch, or Canadian or any host outside of your country. Why would you need a .de domain?

One cannot really get away from it... it's more like staying below the radar. This
course of action would still be illegal because one would operating from within Germany.
So any German webmaster doing that would still has to hide his identity by registering
whois-protected domains. Whois protection again isn't very popular in the biz, I
had to learn this lesson already.

But again, I do not understand paysite-owners and content-producers giving away
pussy for free. I don't really see any advantages...

Just put a damn small thing on the genitals and people would beat a path to paysites
sign-up-forms.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by aj

...Just put a damn small thing on the genitals and people would beat a path to paysites
sign-up-forms.

I heard that as soon as World Peace is achieved, this is next on the agenda.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Getting away from your local laws sounds easy though, register a dot com and host it with an American or Dutch, or Canadian or any host outside of your country. Why would you need a .de domain?

The point I was making is that does not work. Just because you host it abroad, and don't use your country's domain name does not make it legal, you still get arrested, you still go to jail.

Back in the 1990's when we had similar laws to the ones Germany has now, there were plenty of people in prison over here for doing what you suggest.